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Old September 2nd, 2008, 09:09 PM   #71
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Maybe they didn't like OP's Daughters personality and decided not to purchase. I say this only because we're only hearing one side. Maybe she was having a bad day etc....
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 09:49 PM   #72
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For the pro gun couple to take the time from the clerks day, and end up not buying the glasses, and they knew they were not,
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Jerry,with all due respect and courtesy,you do not know this for a fact,as I don't know for a fact otherwise. One fact that we do know is that a salesperson in a commission only job didn't sell something,and is irritated about it. In the same frame of mind as those arguing that the customer knew that they weren't gonna buy-one could say this salesperson is upset about the reasoning as to why the customer declined to purchase.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:12 PM   #73
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To the OP, sorry to hear that your daughter had her feelings hurt. No dad wants their little girl to get their feelings hurt, including me. However, I have to applaud Mr. and Mrs. X for making their decision and sticking to it. I think probably 80 percent of this forum would not have done business there. They may have wasted an hour of your daughter's life but they also wasted an hour of their life in a business that doesn't support their 2A rights also. It's too bad it took them that long to realize that.

I understand that you feel that it's not her deal but she chose to work for a company with that policy and she is the customer interface. If she doesn't like dealing with that issue, then she should find another job. Sorry but your not going to find sympathy here.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:12 PM   #74
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Jerry,with all due respect and courtesy,you do not know this for a fact,as I don't know for a fact otherwise. One fact that we do know is that a salesperson in a commission only job didn't sell something,and is irritated about it. In the same frame of mind as those arguing that the customer knew that they weren't gonna buy-one could say this salesperson is upset about the reasoning as to why the customer declined to purchase.
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Correct, I do not know it for a fact. However, it is not uncommon if we read posts on these type forums, for one to see a no gun sign, and make the decision that he will not buy anything, but wants to make a point.
I personally know folks like that.

If the customers had stated their objections and then left that would have been OK. If you do not like the business for whatever reason don't patronize it.
But they tied up the clerk for an hour if I recall without re-reading.
It is not outside the realm of possibility that they had not made a decision until the glasses were fitted etc. However, it is almost outside the realm of reason considering the attitudes of many.

I think the sales person has a right to be upset when one takes an hour out of her day when she might make a sale otherwise, and then the customer does not buy not because of the merchandise, but because of the attitude of the business. They knew that going in.

I could very well be mistaken, but until I know more facts about the people and the glasses I am going to assume their actions were meant to harass.

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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:22 PM   #75
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If the people knew going in they were not going to buy anything and did "waste the sales persons time" just to make a point then they're jerks plain and simple.
I cant believe the people that don't see the difference between a business refusing you service because of the color of their skin, which you can't control, and refusing to do business with you because "you choose to carry a firearm" something you can control.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:46 PM   #76
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Just one more post, I hope.
As I have read posts on this and similar forums I "see" many who are just aching to get into a discussion about the 2A, and to show businesses and people the error of their ways.
If a business has a sign prohibiting carrying they use cards, call the manager, or harass the clerks that they are not buying anything in "this place."

Some use OC as a vehicle to do this, to "Show we have a right to carry."

If one wants to make a point then that is OK as long as he is polite, accurate in what he presents, obeys the rules of the business, and does not attempt to harass.

I go along with a post that said if the clerk had not been the daughter of a member, most would have said, "Great job! That should teach them a lesson."

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Old September 2nd, 2008, 10:53 PM   #77
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So many are concerned about wasting the sales persons time, lets take a different view of this. What about all the time a person wastes when they have to do business with a store that has the "no guns" signs, and us honest, good folks have to waste time going back to our vehicles and disarm ourselves just to go into a particular store. My time is money, and I doubt any store clerks could give a rats rear how much of my time gets wasted.

If--if they conducted themselves in a respectable manner, I say good for them. Show the clerk what they did loose. Ringing up the sale and loosing it hurts more than just a thought that you did loose a sale.


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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:05 PM   #78
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So many are concerned about wasting the sales persons time, lets take a different view of this. What about all the time a person wastes when they have to do business with a store that has the "no guns" signs, and us honest, good folks have to waste time going back to our vehicles and disarm ourselves just to go into a particular store. My time is money, and I doubt any store clerks could give a rats rear how much of my time gets wasted.

If--if they conducted themselves in a respectable manner, I say good for them. Show the clerk what they did loose. Ringing up the sale and loosing it hurts more than just a thought that you did loose a sale.
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Hummmm...I'm sure disarming takes an hour??? Based on some views...they would not go into the store period and take their business else where.

Based on the OP...the deal was done, the cost known...then and only after the paperwork completed, the X's opted out while mentioning the Dad. I just don't see it any other way...they had an agenda that ultimately accomplished nothing but 8 pages of posts. Falling on one's sword is one thing...but at least have something to show for it.

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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:19 PM   #79
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So many are concerned about wasting the sales persons time, lets take a different view of this. What about all the time a person wastes when they have to do business with a store that has the "no guns" signs, and us honest, good folks have to waste time going back to our vehicles and disarm ourselves just to go into a particular store. My time is money, and I doubt any store clerks could give a rats rear how much of my time gets wasted.

If--if they conducted themselves in a respectable manner, I say good for them. Show the clerk what they did loose. Ringing up the sale and loosing it hurts more than just a thought that you did loose a sale.


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I have never had to disarm before going into a store. So I have never had to waste any time. Hospital yes, but never a business. My suggestion is change where you do business or change where you live if you live in an area that has many posted businesses. If someone gets irritated about having to waste time to dissarm, it seems kind of hypocritical not to feel that purposely wasting a clerks time is also a bad thing.

The store clerks, don't make policy, so who are they making a point to, someone who can't do a darn thing about it. Accomplishment = Nothing. Thats about like being mad at the post man for delivering mail with postage due from the sender.

As far as those that think someone should quit if their employer holds this policy, well I am just guessing but about 1/4 or so of the people on this forum would be looking for jobs if that advice was followed.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 11:27 PM   #80
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I don't visit places with no gun signs, or give them y business. If I'm in there and find out while in there, I leave - no matter how far along in the process I am.

However, I will not waste my, or the store's personnel's time.
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