Dgydad

We may be overlooking a simple, yet VERY important point here - property rights. If the owner of the business doesn't want firearms on the premises, that is his/her right. Do I like it? No sir, I don't! But I respect it, because it is a right, just like my 2A right to be armed.
We don't advance our 2A cause when we disregard the rights of those with whom we disagree, just to "score points".

The fellow's behavior reminds me of something my mom often said to her headstrong only son: If you look for trouble, you will find it....

LongRider

You are OK with your daughter working in a place that has so little respect for her life that they require her to be unarmed and defenseless to work there? Why is your daughter OK with that?
To answer your question. There is a place right outside of the Pine Ridge Indian reservation on the other side of the Bad Lands that had a sign saying No Dogs or Indians Allowed. I have gone in there and if they would serve me, (I am fairly dark skinned especially if I am out in the South Dakota summer sun) have them ring up a few grand worth of antiques maybe a buffalo hide whatever. Show them the cash money than say Oh you don't serve ndns and leave reminding them that custer died for their sins. They had air-conditioning so it gave me something to do while I cooled off on my way to Rapid City. My brothers that were not allowed in the store would be outside cutting up laughing telling me I am a butt head. The feeling is no different when I see a sign denying me service because of my race or because I carry. Maybe you daughter should let her boss know that he lost an $800 sale due to his idiot policy when she hands in her resignation. Go work for someone who does not discriminate. Someone with good sense, some honor, and integrity. Instead of some pansy liberal whose feel good policies have gotten people killed. She may be sad that the store lost a $800 sale because of the sign. You may want to remind her that people have been butchered like lambs in a slaughter house because of signs just like that one. How many more must die before people wake up and get a clue.
The owner has the right to refuse to serve anyone he wants. Just as we have a right not spend our money at places with policies that get people killed. I am not going to put my life in danger by disarming just so I can buy X's product

EDITED TO ADD:
By some of the posts here I would presume many would consider Rose Parks to be rude as well, if we apply the same standards established here. The bus driver had no say in the company policy and the other passengers who were inconvenienced by having their day disrupted and not arriving at their scheduled destination in a timely manner also had nothing to do with the bus companies policy.

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Kerbouchard

Thats a good point, and a well thought out post, LongRider.

The only thing I have to add is that employees DO have a say in company policy. If they are a good enough employee, they will have their bosses ear. If they are a valued employee and choose to go elsewhere due to a policy or if they explain why they are not making sales, a good boss will listen.

And we aren't exactly talking about 1-2%, like some have postured. We are talking about the 100% loss of a commission(which obviously meant something to the OP's daughter, or we wouldn't be discussing this, right?). And a 100% loss of a sale of two overpriced glasses. That's not 1-2% of anything.

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boscobeans

""All other persons entering this property must hold contract or invitation with owner or tenant granting ingress with indemnity. Any intrusion beyond this point without said contract or invitation is unlawful and will be seen as an attack with intent to trespass, extort, harass, oppress, threaten, intimidate, injure, mutilate molest, or otherwise jeopardize the rights, safety and life of the owner, tenant. ""

I wouldn't eneter your property because of your posted sign, just as I wouldn't enter a store that had a NO GUN sign.

I consider entering a store on false pretenses, working up a phoney sale and then walking out to be a form of harassment.

As far as Black, White or Native goes, when I was coming home from Ft. Bragg in the 60's I told the bus driver (after getting off and on several times to be relocated as we went from one segregated area to another) "The next time you wake me up it better not be to tell me to change seats." I slept the rest of the way back to NY without be bothered. I know the diff. between segregation and LEGAL forms of regulation (drivers lic., hunting lic., dog lic., and on and on.)

Try pulling that crap at a Federal building, and when they pop you at the metal detector tell them "Well I guess I won't be doing my business here!"

If some people put up signs, DON'T SHOP THERE---SIMPLE
Tell the manager why, write a letter or walk around outside with a sign. Busting somebody's chops (and wasting you own time) is as counterproductive as trying to pis_ in the wind.

Sorry but that is just my opinion.

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rodc13

The salesperson is the business's direct interface with the customer. It's the salesperson who can communicate the reason why customers are staying away, especially in the case of absentee management. The commission salesperson is also the one who has the biggest stake in getting a policy changed, since their income is directly affected.

To simply write off communication with a "mere salesperson" is to miss an opportunity. If enough people communicated their displeasure with their pocketbooks, these ill-conceived anti-self defense policies might be changed.

At least the couple did something, even if some don't like it. Look at all the discussion and controversy it's generated here. If they had just walked past the business, no one would know why. If they had just dropped off a card, it would have been easy to drop in the trash and ignore. They cared enough to take an activist approach and risk being thought "rude".

Effective in this case? Time will tell. People are talking, who wouldn't be doing so otherwise. An uninformed, uninterested person may have a bit more education on the issues. It would be more effective if they followed up with a call to the manager, and explained that they really would like to do business, if only they weren't anti-self defense.

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rottkeeper

+100

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Thanis

I walked into the post office today. I acted like I was going to mail a bunch of stuff, get a PO box, and buy some envelopes.

Then I let the guy at the counter know I did not care care for the post office's no guns allowed policy and I would never purchase from an orginization that did not recognise my 2A right.

That will show them.

ccw9mm

If done correctly, sure. In a small shop whose owner is likely in touch with what goes on? Very likely.

If done with a drone at a government agency that doesn't give a whit about the rights of the People, though? Not likely at all.

As for the US Post Office, it can rot. I go elsewhere. In a way, I'm reasonably comfortable with the fact I'm helping it to fail to break even, for the utter indifference alone. It works for me. My comfort with that need not work for anyone else.

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SelfDefense

It is absolutely unethical and immoral to waste someone's time to make some idealogical point. It is stealing. This 'educating the public' is a lot of nonsense. What arrogance to think you know more or your ideas are better than the other guy's.

What no one has considered is the amount of money a business makes because they have a no guns sign. Perhaps someone prefers to shop at a business that advertises they do not want guns on the premises. Of course, those people don't make up business cards and make a scene like many here support. They simply go about their business without constantly making political statements.

ccw9mm

Informing the business why you're no longer doing business is a consideration most won't give, and a "bonus" most businesses never get. That's a plus.

Agreed as to the dishonor of deliberately stealing a person's time, while knowing full well the stealing is going to occur. (As we're hearing only the aggrieved's side of the story, in this case it's unknown if it was planned like a theft.)

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