rocky

Better to hurt his feelings and have him learn good gun safety than shoot him self or someone else. I know my dad would still tell me if my gun handling was bad, and I am 36 yrs old.

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When his CHL arrives hang on to it until he's taken a gun safety course. Wait until he makes a serious mistake and it's way too late. Sounds like a pistol is just a macho toy to him at this point. My 28 year old son's pistol is locked in my gun safe. He doesn't have secure storage for it at his apartment and doesn't have a CPL. If he treated his Walthers that way he wouldn't get his hands on it until he had completed some training. Fortunately he takes it all very seriously and listens to me and other shooters when at the range if there is a safety concern. Good luck.

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Geds

He says: you and I both know it's not loaded...

you say:



No, I don't.

I trust you son, but it's not worth dying for.

You are not handing me a cell phone, you are handing me something that you carry for its deadly potential.

Please don't take chances with my life, or anyone else you care about.

It will never be "worth it".



If that doesn't help, then he shouldn't be carrying.

ccw9mm

Your son's nonchalance in regards to firearms safety may well get someone shot or killed, whether he believes he'll skirt the odds or not.

Have him run a simple Google search: firearm accidentally shot

Have him then explain to you how his actions are really any different than most of the hundreds of examples in that list.

Yup.

You may well trust your own son, on matters you agree are important. Trouble is, he's expecting you to trust that his failure to follow procedure has GUARANTEED the safety, beyond your ability to verify. It's why ranges have chamber flags. It's why ranges have appointed range officers. It's why the four firearms safety rules are adhered to ... all because it's not worth your death. And, beyond that, it's REALLY not worth killing an innocent.

DATA POINT:

A few weeks ago, I took a complete neophyte to the range. He's 30yrs old, a colleague from another country. He had never handled firearms previously. We spent ~10minutes talking about safety and basic handling, all at a "safe" table that had a single firearm with the action opened and slide locked back. No ammo anywhere near us. Despite going through the safety review, despite going slowly through single-shot firing until we got the hang of the protocol, even until the end of the session he was still failing to maintain proper finger control and muzzle control.

We kept going back to single-shot, and we kept going over the safety rules. But he simply didn't retain the lesson for long. Overall, we kept it simple and fairly safe. But a meandering finger combines with a wandering muzzle to result in bad things, all too often. Each time the safety was breached badly, we'd go back to safety lessons and the simple 9mm carbine rifle (with heavy trigger, one round loaded, and reminders about keeping it together). He kept improving, but I know it'll take a few more safety sessions until he begins to get the hang of it. If we ever go out to the range, again, it'll be with a blue/training gun and zero ammo, until he shows proper, safe handling.

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I'm 21. Many times my dad worries me a bit with his handling. I'm just a bit paranoid I think.

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REDTAIL

sounds like he cannot be trusted with any firearms with other people around him. and plus he is a danger to himself. unfortunitly an accident waiting to happen

KenInColo

In spite of his permit, he is not mature enough to be carrying. Either he has not had any safety training our he is totally disregarding it. Either way, he is going to hurt someone. These are not toys and he is not cool.

As far as asking him nicely, it's not about making him feel good about himself. It's about handling a firearm in a safe manner. If he were in the Marines and he handled a firearm that way, his DI would stomp the living bleep out of him.

His attitude stinks. I think he's taking advantage of you.

This is probably the most severe criticism you're gonna hear on your post. I'm sorry but that's how I feel about it.

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QKShooter

His attitude is the EXACT attitude that gets innocent people (usually family members or other loved ones and often little children) killed, crippled or maimed for life every single year.
SO...if your Son truly cares about you and his Brothers then he had better cut out the funny stuff.

Personally and were I you...I would not put up with it.

and after the first time having the muzzle of a loaded semi-auto pointed at my chest by my kid......

I'd personally take that firearm down into my basement...check the chamber and the mag for empty...and break out the Arc Welder and then I would weld that slide right to the pistol frame and tack-weld the empty magazine into the frame and then I would hand it back to him with the muzzle pointed at his chest.
And then I would tell him:
"Here's your pistol back...now you can go point it at anybody you want to point it at."

Tangle

A few years ago two close friends were attending a Gunsite handgun course. After one of the classes, back at their motel room, for some reason they decided to unload their guns and have a quick draw contest. I've been to Gunsite for six courses and everything they teach is strictly opposed to such a thing. But, for whatever reason, these two guys did their fast draw contest which ended in one of them shooting his best friend in the chest and watching him die. They thought the guns were unloaded too.

Just something to think about.

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Rob72

Well. Lots of interesting responses. First, your son is 21. He's legally an adult; that puts a limit on what you can/cannot do legally. Destruction of property, interfering with mail delivery, etc., are not among those things. Verbal instruction as to what will/will not be allowed in your home, changing your locks, securing his weapon in your safe are options. It will likely be a confrontation-scenario, in any event.

My best suggestion would be getting him into a class with Michael Brown, in Tulsa. U.S. Shooting Academy Mike is old enough/young enough to be a role model, and won't put up with BS. A 4 day weekend would get you from most parts of TX to Tulsa, with a day of class.

Edit: Money on class & gas better spent than on a new firearm, etc..