Anything I can say to my son? - Page 6

IfIhaveto · September 9th, 2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FIS0008

I have two adult sons who both carry. On this subject I would treat them just like I do any other adult (which they are). Immediately point out the errors and if it persists, then I would refuse to be around them in the presence of weapons. This is truly a serious matter and my guess is that you would not allow any other adult to this, so I would not let him either.

In my Military Career there was so many accidental weapon discharge… from so called experience soldiers...When I was stationed in Landstuhl , GE we had 3 deaths that I personally seen (OR Nurse) based on negligence.

jwhite75 · September 9th, 2008, 10:46 AM

Not an advocate of violence in the home but a swift open handed smack to the back of the head from dear old dad would probably be necessary. I think the psychology texts call it negative reinforcement.

goldshellback · September 9th, 2008, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IfIhaveto

In my Military Career there was so many accidental weapon discharge… from so called experience soldiers....

+1

We have a couple here every year while on duty. The latest was a small group of Marines 'fast drawing' thier M9's and one of 'em got shot in the face by a sidearm that wasn't loaded...........go figure.

A ND will happen eveuntly if the behavior continues.

Geezer Glide · September 9th, 2008, 11:05 AM

Sounds like he's not mature enough to be handling firearms. They are not toys and handling them is not a game.

Rivers · September 9th, 2008, 01:37 PM

Negligent Discharge

The guy who started this site admits to NEGLIGENTLY (not "accidentally") shooting himself with his .45 1911. He documents the injuries, his recovery, lingering issues, loss of work, etc. And he never tries to shed responsibility for the incident. He admits to screwing up and is hoping that others will learn from his experience.

Rcher · September 9th, 2008, 02:44 PM

IMHO

Its totally unacceptable behavior and a total lack of respect for a firearm, childish actually. Once a bullet is fired it can never be recalled.

As a certified firearms instructor, I would not permit anyone who does not have the proper respect around a firearm to be anywhere in my presence, period. There is no room for carelessness. Safety should be a gun owners number one concern.

Sorry if I sound harsh but there will be no 2nd chance.

iofdetiger · September 9th, 2008, 10:45 PM

can someone give me a quick run-down on whats bad about catching the bullet with the same hand that you're pulling the slide with? i do this whenever i have to disarm, i basically take the gun, turn it to the side or upside down, grab the gun by the front part of the slide and let the bullet fall into my palm. is this what you guys are talking about?

KenInColo · September 10th, 2008, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by iofdetiger

can someone give me a quick run-down on whats bad about catching the bullet with the same hand that you're pulling the slide with? i do this whenever i have to disarm, i basically take the gun, turn it to the side or upside down, grab the gun by the front part of the slide and let the bullet fall into my palm. is this what you guys are talking about?

Nothing wrong w/doing it the way you described. That's the way I do it too.

I think what the OP was describing was pulling the slide back w/your weak hand thumb and index fingers (sling-shotting it), ejecting the round into the air and then quickly catching it in mid-air w/your weak hand. A totally 'hot-dog' maneuver.

jimbo2 · September 10th, 2008, 02:14 AM

Show him this thread and what 57 people think of his gun safety attitude. Having an attitude about gun safety tells me he's not mature enough to have a gun.

Kerbouchard · September 10th, 2008, 02:23 AM

The only thing you could say to your son that would have any effect is that he is not allowed in your home if he is armed because you believe him to be unsafe. Keep it simple.

Don't try to provide proof. Don't try to convince him he is wrong. He is young. He knows everything. Tell him that you feel that way and nothing he can say can change that. If he tries to argue about how 'he knows what he is doing', then pull up any random thread about a firearm instructor having a negligent discharge.

Tell him you don't trust anybody pointing a gun at you, and that you find it extremely disrespectful that he does not respect your wishes and thoughts on the matter. Let him know that the only way you will allow him in YOUR home with a firearm is if he follows ALL 4 safety rules.

If he refuses to comply, hand him the classifieds. They have apartments to rent.

I really try to refrain from saying anything derogatory to another member, but I feel compelled to do so in this case. The fact that this is an issue at all means you failed at teaching him the basics of firearm safety and the responsibility that comes with handling and carrying a firearm.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and I truly hope that you can resolve this issue without one of you being seriously injured due to your sons unsafe handling of 'unloaded' firearms.

Very Respectfully,
Kerb

September 9th, 2008, 10:46 AM	#52
jwhite75 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 508	Not an advocate of violence in the home but a swift open handed smack to the back of the head from dear old dad would probably be necessary. I think the psychology texts call it negative reinforcement. __________________ Remember to PILLAGE Before you burn.

September 9th, 2008, 11:05 AM	#54
Geezer Glide Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 74	Sounds like he's not mature enough to be handling firearms. They are not toys and handling them is not a game. __________________ I can't walk on water but I stagger on alcohol.

September 9th, 2008, 02:44 PM	#56
Rcher Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Utah (currently) Posts: 321	IMHO Its totally unacceptable behavior and a total lack of respect for a firearm, childish actually. Once a bullet is fired it can never be recalled. As a certified firearms instructor, I would not permit anyone who does not have the proper respect around a firearm to be anywhere in my presence, period. There is no room for carelessness. Safety should be a gun owners number one concern. Sorry if I sound harsh but there will be no 2nd chance. __________________ Someday, someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

September 10th, 2008, 02:23 AM	#60
Kerbouchard VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 2,531	The only thing you could say to your son that would have any effect is that he is not allowed in your home if he is armed because you believe him to be unsafe. Keep it simple. Don't try to provide proof. Don't try to convince him he is wrong. He is young. He knows everything. Tell him that you feel that way and nothing he can say can change that. If he tries to argue about how 'he knows what he is doing', then pull up any random thread about a firearm instructor having a negligent discharge. Tell him you don't trust anybody pointing a gun at you, and that you find it extremely disrespectful that he does not respect your wishes and thoughts on the matter. Let him know that the only way you will allow him in YOUR home with a firearm is if he follows ALL 4 safety rules. If he refuses to comply, hand him the classifieds. They have apartments to rent. I really try to refrain from saying anything derogatory to another member, but I feel compelled to do so in this case. The fact that this is an issue at all means you failed at teaching him the basics of firearm safety and the responsibility that comes with handling and carrying a firearm. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and I truly hope that you can resolve this issue without one of you being seriously injured due to your sons unsafe handling of 'unloaded' firearms. Very Respectfully, Kerb __________________ Money can be lost or stolen, health and strength may fail, but what you have committed to your mind is yours forever. http://miscmusings.townhall.com/ Who is John Galt?

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September 9th, 2008, 01:37 PM	#55
Rivers Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 145	Negligent Discharge The guy who started this site admits to NEGLIGENTLY (not "accidentally") shooting himself with his .45 1911. He documents the injuries, his recovery, lingering issues, loss of work, etc. And he never tries to shed responsibility for the incident. He admits to screwing up and is hoping that others will learn from his experience.

September 9th, 2008, 10:45 PM	#57
iofdetiger New Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: philadelphia Posts: 6	can someone give me a quick run-down on whats bad about catching the bullet with the same hand that you're pulling the slide with? i do this whenever i have to disarm, i basically take the gun, turn it to the side or upside down, grab the gun by the front part of the slide and let the bullet fall into my palm. is this what you guys are talking about?

September 10th, 2008, 02:14 AM	#59
jimbo2 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 106	Show him this thread and what 57 people think of his gun safety attitude. Having an attitude about gun safety tells me he's not mature enough to have a gun.