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Old September 12th, 2008, 05:35 PM   #11
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I can understand why they don't want them there.
I don't understand. I understand why they don't want the gang-bangers and criminals from coming in with guns. I don't understand why someone who has been vetted almost as well as an LEO cannot.

If there are cops at the doors searching and seizing without warrant just because I want to enter I wouldn't go there anyway.

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they are not "taking" your guns away, they are keeping you from bringing them in, they check ALL luggage and allow NO: needles, knives, guns, ammo, weapons, drugs, alcohol. if you have a CCP and want to carry, go somewhere else. its that simple.
If a city put up a public housing project and demanded the residents submit to searches every time they came home and wanted to enter the building, how do you see that going over?

If a city said since you live in government housing you are subject to LEO searches of the dwelling at any time for any reason, how would that fly?

If the federal government said that anyone who received a government check, either as a gainfully employed worker, a disabled vet, or welfare recipient, had to allow unannounced searches of their person and all property, would that be understandable?

I hope you answered negatively to all of the above. If you did, how can it be legal to search my stuff just because I want to enter a building and get a free ride out of danger? Why do I have to give up my rights more and more every time I have anything to do with the government?
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Old September 12th, 2008, 06:57 PM   #12
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I can understand why... However I dont think I would want to be in that situation.

My Brother inlaw lives in The Houston area and I know he wont go to one.

It is great for an emergency but gees. Like New Orleans. You can see this thing coming.

I have freinds in New Orleans. Both times Katrina and this last one they flew up here, at least a week earlier

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Old September 12th, 2008, 07:11 PM   #13
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i understand they cant differentiate between good guy/bad guy, and cant make special exceptions because the people who cant carry would riot over the "injustice" and "demand equality" and want to bring their guns to.
You can differentiate by the CHL id card people are required to carry. And they can have their equality by going out and getting their own CHL.
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Old September 12th, 2008, 08:43 PM   #14
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Having been trained by the red cross through there temporary shelter and long term shelter courses I can give you a bit of the reason why.

You will need to sleep. What will you do with your firearm while you sleep. Personally I don't believe that in a situation where there are that many people around me that I can have complete control of my stuff 24/7. Since at many of these shelters there happen to be items stolen from people or lost by people the shelters do not want ANYTHING that is considered a weapon in the shelter. Anyone found with one is OUT. Those are the rules follow them or find somewhere other than a disaster shelter.
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I'd be driving further north to find another place that allows me to defend myself and my family...certainly can't say that there wasn't sufficient warning.
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Old September 12th, 2008, 09:16 PM   #16
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I can understand why they don't want them there.

I will also say that I wouldn't be there without one.
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I'd be driving further north to find another place that allows me to defend myself and my family...certainly can't say that there wasn't sufficient warning.
Agree with both of these. A refugee shelter is no place for a gun or me if I can possibly help it.
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Old September 12th, 2008, 09:22 PM   #17
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Old September 12th, 2008, 11:12 PM   #18
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I don't understand. I understand why they don't want the gang-bangers and criminals from coming in with guns. I don't understand why someone who has been vetted almost as well as an LEO cannot.

If there are cops at the doors searching and seizing without warrant just because I want to enter I wouldn't go there anyway.



If a city put up a public housing project and demanded the residents submit to searches every time they came home and wanted to enter the building, how do you see that going over?
It wouldn't go over well, but I agree with it. Who paid for that "public housing project"...? Sorry I'm against those to begin with. If that makes me biased...so be it.

If a city said since you live in government housing you are subject to LEO searches of the dwelling at any time for any reason, how would that fly? Perfectly fine with me. You get what you ask for and pay for.

If the federal government said that anyone who received a government check, either as a gainfully employed worker, a disabled vet, or welfare recipient, had to allow unannounced searches of their person and all property, would that be understandable?
You can't lump all of those together:
  1. Gainfully Employed worker - define. The government has a bajillion "gainfully employed workers"... And I have an answer for that too...it's called slash and burn accounting. Most of em...not counting the .mil folks....don't belong being gainfully employed by the government. They're a free fire zone for me.
  2. Disabled vet...HELL NO. They get whatever they damn well please as far as I'm concerned because they earned it.
  3. Welfare recipient - Again...Free fire zone for me.

I hope you answered negatively to all of the above. If you did, how can it be legal to search my stuff just because I want to enter a building and get a free ride out of danger? Why do I have to give up my rights more and more every time I have anything to do with the government? ....If you don't have an answer for that on your own...You'll never get an answer you feel is appropriate.
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Why do I have to give up my rights more and more every time I have anything to do with the government?
Because the governing few want it that way ... and because standing up against it can take everything you've got. Pretty much, for many folks, that's about it.

It's wrong in the extreme. Criminal, if you ask me. In each of the hypotheticals you outlined, earlier. But then, I don't see eye to eye with a lot of what my own governing few do.
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as a paramedic who just got done working a shelter at the bossier city civic center, and about to work it again for ike, i will put it in the way it was out to me by a state trooper at the shelter:

they are not "taking" your guns away, they are keeping you from bringing them in, they check ALL luggage and allow NO: needles, knives, guns, ammo, weapons, drugs, alcohol. if you have a CCP and want to carry, go somewhere else. its that simple.

would i want to carry in the shelters i worked? HELL YES!
do i want the bozo's in the shelter having a toothbrush they can turn into a weapon: HELL NO

i understand they cant differentiate between good guy/bad guy, and cant make special exceptions because the people who cant carry would riot over the "injustice" and "demand equality" and want to bring their guns to.
So did they search you or any of the other workers, or just the refugees?
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