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Old September 14th, 2008, 05:25 PM   #31
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MUCH longer than 4 weeks wait...... took about 3 months

Only took mine about 4 weeks. That was 2 years ago though. I would agree that they (NH) are probably swamped with applications at present.
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Old September 15th, 2008, 08:03 AM   #32
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cphilip: "reportedly were close to agreement with Florida a year ago"

Florida had been trying for years. They were perpetually in a state of "close to an agreement", but SLED would always drag their feet and come up with some excuse as to not grant reciprocity. The new law passed in SC took the absolute control away from SLED, but they still had to be pressured to start granting reciprocity agreements. Thankfully, the new law is pretty good and should lead to reciprocity with most states with "standard" CCW laws.

Since I have a FL CWP, I'm now good to carry anywhere in the South... and I tend to stay south of the Mason-Dixon line at all costs.
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Old September 15th, 2008, 06:16 PM   #33
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The new law passed in SC took the absolute control away from SLED, but they still had to be pressured to start granting reciprocity agreements.
Now thats completely contradictory statement. The new law did almost nothing. It changed it from SLED negotiating to SLED investigating and determining.

We were told that SLED had reached agreement with FLA last Fall and were about to announce it then... when the bill was introduced (not the version that passed), SLED held up. SLED then came out in opposition to the bill.

The initial version that was introduced took it completely out of SLED's hands.

The version that actually passed and signed by the Governor put it right back into their hands.
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Old September 16th, 2008, 09:16 AM   #34
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Right. That's what I meant by "absolute control". They now are required to grant reciprocity if they determine the requirements are met... In the end it is likely going to be about the same since they can dig around for any little "difference" to keep reciprocity from being granted.

According to my contact at the Florida DoACS Division of Licensing, they have been trying for YEARS to get SLED to stop dragging their feet and nitpicking. They may have been close to an agreement a year ago, but it never would have happened without Florida pushing them.

I stand by my comment that they had to be pressured into granting agreements. There are other states which I believe meet SC's requirements for reciprocity, but until someone presses the issue, SLED isn't going to bother with it.

You are correct that the original bill in SC would have been far better. In WV, for instance, reciprocity has always been directly in the hands of the Attorney General, who faces political pressure to make reciprocity agreements. In Florida, our reciprocity agreements are made by the Dept of Agriculture, which thankfully has been very adamant and pro-active about increasing reciprocity, even though they are not required by law to be as good as they are.
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Old September 16th, 2008, 02:55 PM   #35
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I've never understood the rejection of non-resident permit holders. If a person in Florida can pass Florida's requirements, and a person in Indiana can pass those same requirements, then what justification is there to not accept the same permit from either person?
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I've never understood the rejection of non-resident permit holders. If a person in Florida can pass Florida's requirements, and a person in Indiana can pass those same requirements, then what justification is there to not accept the same permit from either person?
I really am not sure but I think that some states only do a state background check rather than a national one. Suppose someone applies for a FL permit and a state background check comes up clean for FL violations. They get the FL permit but since they are a NY resident they have a long rap sheet in NY.

I am not sure if this has anything to do with it or not but I know that in some states there is no way a full background check can be done in 5 minutes and some have reported that is how long it took for them to get their permit from door to door.

Why would someone just have a non-resident permit and not a resident permit from their own state.
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Old September 17th, 2008, 11:28 AM   #37
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I've never understood the rejection of non-resident permit holders. If a person in Florida can pass Florida's requirements, and a person in Indiana can pass those same requirements, then what justification is there to not accept the same permit from either person?
I think SLED has their panties in a wad about training. The training for the CCW in FL is a joke. My wife and I were on vacation in FL a few weeks ago and she took the class (I already have my FL permit). An hour later she had her fingerprints and photo and a certificate saying she had taken a 2 hr class. The range time consisted of walking up to an already loaded pistol, picking it up, firing one shot and setting the gun back down. If you could do that without killling yourself or the instructor you passed. The class was basically an overpriced fingerprint and photo service.

All that being said, I have seen no studies that show training makes a person with a CCW safer and a better citizen. BUT, I still train regularly, because when tshtf, I want to be as ready as I can.

I think if your state has CCW then you should honor other state's CCW - just like drivers license.
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Old September 17th, 2008, 02:37 PM   #38
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Anyone check on the status of the VA agreement.
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As for the training required most people concentrate on the shooting part of it. That to me is almost a waste as if you basically know which end of the barrel the bullet comes out of that I pretty much all I care about. What I consider needed training and what should be required is what the laws are and how either Castle Doctrine works in those states that have it or the duty to retreat in other states. Ther are too many people that get a concealed weapons permit and think that it allows them to walk around anywhere they want with a .44 strapped to their hip.

I don't care where you get the training but should be required to at least know the basics of the laws.
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Old September 17th, 2008, 05:00 PM   #40
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As a GA resident (and GFL holder) who lives within 2 miles of the SC border, I wish there was a way to get license to carry in SC.

As it stands now, SC doesn't honor GA (due to the training reqs), will only issue a non-resident SC license if you own real-property in SC, and only recognize a reciprocal license if your a resident of that state.

So that leaves us GA residents out of luck, even if we meet the training requirement unless we're willing to purchase land in SC.

I would love to see SC add GA reciprocity, but if that doesn't happen, then change the non-resident license and drop the property owner requirement!

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