Applebee's No Gun sign in WA State - Page 2

NativH · February 11th, 2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by community

If a business has a no gun sign, i go somewhere else. Besides, Applebee's food is not that good.

+1 Want me to be unprotected, you don't want my money.

henkel21 · February 11th, 2009, 05:51 PM

Keep it concealed and enjoy your food. They might have a "no gun" policy at Applebee's and they threw the 9.41 in there to refer to the bar area. Good luck with your CPL. Hope you don't have to go through the hassle I did. (lost in mail crap)

All though I would have to agree with community... the food has gone down hill.

Thumper · February 11th, 2009, 05:54 PM

They must not need the business!

bigjake · February 11th, 2009, 06:36 PM

id say either stay away from aplebees to avoid any hassles with them asking you to leave, or make sure noone ever sees it, personally i would just avoid any hassle by avoiding the resteraunt, theres plenty of other resteraunt's out there......just my opinion

JimH58 · February 11th, 2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Samson1

Last weekend my wife and I went to our local Applebee's. I've applied for my CPL and I'm just waiting for it to show up in the mail so in the meantime I'm watching for signs around town so I know what to avoid when carrying and researching carry guns and holsters. Anyway in the Applebee's is a sign stating that no guns are allowed and "per chapter 9.41 of state law this includes concealed permit holders" I thought that restaraunt carry was legal in the state of Washington even if they served alcohol. Help me out here please.......is it legal? if so.....does there sign hold any weight or can they just tell me to leave if they see my gun? Thanks.....and if anybody has a IWB holster for a Bersa .380 let me know

I am not familiar with Washington's laws but in Kentucky which has CCDW and allows open carry, businesses may restrict carry on their premises. It is a misdemenor and is considered simple trespass if they catch you with a CCW, but otherwise not illegal.

GunnyBunny · February 11th, 2009, 06:48 PM

For anyone to turn away business in this economy blows my mind!

Fred · February 13th, 2009, 06:26 PM

I mostly just ignore the sign (just about any sign that doesn't threaten to skin me alive). It's almost always easier to ask forgiveness than to get permission.

You can choose not to go there if you want. But remember that "Concealed means Concealed". Somebody who just needs to tell everybody he has a gun...Well I'd prefer he goes someplace else to eat as well.

FastDraw · February 13th, 2009, 09:33 PM

To the original poster....... I don't know where you live or which Applebees you go to........ but why not just call the place and ask them about their "no gun" sign..... then let the rest of your gunnie friends know.......

C Paul Lincoln · February 14th, 2009, 12:16 AM

There has been discussion of the Applebee's policy on OpenCarry.org and as I recall they do have a "no gun" policy. Their citation of 9.41, however, is erroneous. There is no state law that prohibits restaurant carry -- the section of 9.41 they are citing is for the bar, as others have pointed out. Stay out of areas that are posted as off limits to minors by the Liquor Control Board and you are legal.

IANAL (but I know my Washington statutes!)

C Paul

Edit: I was in error -- actually there have been OC lunches at Applebee's in Washington with several persons present and all open carrying. So, the sign is just poorly worded. (my brain must be turning to mush)

b206 · February 17th, 2009, 01:14 AM

In WA, they can't ban you from a building, BUT they can request that you leave. No building/business is allowed to ban people with CPLs from entering their buildings, unless they are a bar or liquor store, because even off-duty police can't carry in permitted areas of alcohol sales OR state, county or city buildings.

Now, because Applebee's is not all a bar, they are only required to restrict weapons in the bar area itself, NOT the whole building. However, like others have said, if they ask you to leave, you must.

If there's a sign on the door that says 'no guns' (or something to that extent) you can still enter; it's merely a request from the business, but they have no legal right to outright ban a person with a CPL from entering... the CPL gives you the right in WA to do just that: enter buildings/businesses with a concealed weapon. The RCW is very clear that you are allowed to carry a pistol if you have the CPL.

BTW, I was given that information by the Kent Police when I applied for it AND I've received the same info from various officers in WA that I've asked.

February 11th, 2009, 05:54 PM	#13
Thumper VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Nevada Posts: 5,586	They must not need the business! __________________ USMC 1968-1971 ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell! *"Don't go to stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things!"*

February 11th, 2009, 06:48 PM	#16
GunnyBunny VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Victoria, B.C. Posts: 2,118	For anyone to turn away business in this economy blows my mind! __________________ CCW permit holder for Utah, Pennsylvannia, Maine and New Hampshire. I can carry in your country but not my own.

February 13th, 2009, 09:33 PM	#18
FastDraw Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Out West Posts: 370	To the original poster....... I don't know where you live or which Applebees you go to........ but why not just call the place and ask them about their "no gun" sign..... then let the rest of your gunnie friends know....... __________________ Be Alert and Stay Safe FastDraw

February 14th, 2009, 12:16 AM	#19
C Paul Lincoln Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle-ish Posts: 214	There has been discussion of the Applebee's policy on OpenCarry.org and as I recall they do have a "no gun" policy. Their citation of 9.41, however, is erroneous. There is no state law that prohibits restaurant carry -- the section of 9.41 they are citing is for the bar, as others have pointed out. Stay out of areas that are posted as off limits to minors by the Liquor Control Board and you are legal. IANAL (but I know my Washington statutes!) C Paul Edit: I was in error -- actually there have been OC lunches at Applebee's in Washington with several persons present and all open carrying. So, the sign is just poorly worded. (my brain must be turning to mush) Last edited by C Paul Lincoln; February 14th, 2009 at 12:23 AM.. Reason: Correction to information

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February 11th, 2009, 05:51 PM	#12
henkel21 New Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 3	Keep it concealed and enjoy your food. They might have a "no gun" policy at Applebee's and they threw the 9.41 in there to refer to the bar area. Good luck with your CPL. Hope you don't have to go through the hassle I did. (lost in mail crap) All though I would have to agree with community... the food has gone down hill.

February 11th, 2009, 06:36 PM	#14
bigjake Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: WA Posts: 60	id say either stay away from aplebees to avoid any hassles with them asking you to leave, or make sure noone ever sees it, personally i would just avoid any hassle by avoiding the resteraunt, theres plenty of other resteraunt's out there......just my opinion

February 13th, 2009, 06:26 PM	#17
Fred Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: PNW Posts: 129	I mostly just ignore the sign (just about any sign that doesn't threaten to skin me alive). It's almost always easier to ask forgiveness than to get permission. You can choose not to go there if you want. But remember that "Concealed means Concealed". Somebody who just needs to tell everybody he has a gun...Well I'd prefer he goes someplace else to eat as well.

February 17th, 2009, 01:14 AM	#20
b206 New Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 1	In WA, they can't ban you from a building, BUT they can request that you leave. No building/business is allowed to ban people with CPLs from entering their buildings, unless they are a bar or liquor store, because even off-duty police can't carry in permitted areas of alcohol sales OR state, county or city buildings. Now, because Applebee's is not all a bar, they are only required to restrict weapons in the bar area itself, NOT the whole building. However, like others have said, if they ask you to leave, you must. If there's a sign on the door that says 'no guns' (or something to that extent) you can still enter; it's merely a request from the business, but they have no legal right to outright ban a person with a CPL from entering... the CPL gives you the right in WA to do just that: enter buildings/businesses with a concealed weapon. The RCW is very clear that you are allowed to carry a pistol if you have the CPL. BTW, I was given that information by the Kent Police when I applied for it AND I've received the same info from various officers in WA that I've asked.