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Old February 15th, 2009, 10:35 PM   #41
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Again, you don't have to 'know' any youths to know what's going with popular culture among youngsters. Ask any cop and they'll likely say the same thing. If you have kids, you'd better know what's going on whether your kid is involved or not. That includes the fashion o' the day.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by attempting to paint me as "out there." Again, I run in pretty conservative circles.

What I'm trying to say in an obscure way is that I don't believe the trustworthy decent kids today have the tats and dress of the gangmembers. I think there are a bunch of wantabe's who might. I think they are at severe risk, one because they seem to idolize gangbangers and two because their parents let them or don't know what's going on. Though in this case, it didn't seem to me that this guy was describing some teenager wantabe but that's probably my bias.

If I run across someone acting/looking like a gangbanger, my radar is going up and I'm not going to be real comfortable while they are around, particularly if like in this case they appear to be carrying.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #42
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can only assume that the profile of that man is not the largest part of his customer base
Where I come from, we call that discrimination.

We are all Prejudice, I am probably more prejudice than alot of people. However, I would never refuse someone elses rights based on my prejudice.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 10:43 PM   #43
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Where I come from, we call that discrimination.

We are all Prejudice, I am probably more prejudice than alot of people. However, I would never refuse someone elses rights based on my prejudice.
I think you are confused as to what his rights are.

He may be a nice young man that can purchase a firearm in this country(and that is a great right)..

You can be refused service any where any time,
Beside the fact he broke the stores rule
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Old February 15th, 2009, 11:21 PM   #44
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I hate grits, too. SEE?? Busting stereotypes already!
GRITS= Girls Raised In The South.
Wassa matta with that???
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Old February 15th, 2009, 11:35 PM   #45
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rugergirl,

Are you the kind with smooth butter and cream on top?

Cause I've seen that before and man those look good
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I think you are confused as to what his rights are.

He may be a nice young man that can purchase a firearm in this country(and that is a great right)..

You can be refused service any where any time,
Beside the fact he broke the stores rule
You are absolutely correct, he does not have a right to be served in that store. However, the reasons for refusal of service can constitute illegal discrimination.

We do not know that he violated store rules. OP stated he saw the print, never saw the firearm. But assume he did see the firearm, we don't know it was loaded. As regulars here, we will assume it is loaded because we wouldn't carry otherwise. But, has been pointed out by many here, based soley on appearance, he may not have been smart enough to carry loaded.
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Are you the kind with smooth butter and cream on top?

Cause I've seen that before and man those look good
Not really I'm more the grainy gritty type, and not raised in the south, but those that I know that were raised there are some great women. My MIL comes to mind
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Still don't think this is discrimnatory.

Shop owner might want to cater to a type of customer (ie. LE hunters, target shooters, defensive).

I think discrim laws have a place, but not really in this case.
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What I'm trying to say in an obscure way is that I don't believe the trustworthy decent kids today have the tats and dress of the gangmembers. I think there are a bunch of wantabe's who might. I think they are at severe risk, one because they seem to idolize gangbangers and two because their parents let them or don't know what's going on. Though in this case, it didn't seem to me that this guy was describing some teenager wantabe but that's probably my bias.

If I run across someone acting/looking like a gangbanger, my radar is going up and I'm not going to be real comfortable while they are around, particularly if like in this case they appear to be carrying.
I don't disagree with alot of what you're saying. However, maybe you need to take a new objective look at 'the kids' today. LOTS of them have tattoos (I have a couple myself), and if you take a look at many of our young GIs (whom most all of us think highly of and support) they are covered in tats. They also wear baggy jeans, straight brimmed hats, and baggy t-shirts. They also come in all colors.

I'm NOT saying you shouldn't be aware of your surroundings and I'm not saying you shouldn't be a little extra on edge around people you don't feel comfortable around. That's your decision, and I'll never say it's a bad one. I'm not immune to stereotypes and prejudice and, living in Richmond, VA, my 'guard' goes up while carrying in several parts of my city. Interpret that as you will.

I'm simply trying to point out that we, as pro-2A citizens, cannot and should not try to say certain types of people can or cannot keep and bear arms.
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Still don't think this is discrimnatory.

Shop owner might want to cater to a type of customer (ie. LE hunters, target shooters, defensive).

I think discrim laws have a place, but not really in this case.
I don't think it was discriminatory, either, in a legal sense. Private business owners should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason. In fact, we should all pretty much be able to do whatever the hell we want on our own property as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Too bad there is a resurgent assault on freedom throughout the globe these days.
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