Idiot in Gun Store - Page 5

Rcher · February 16th, 2009, 09:23 AM

I think maybe you should have said something to the counter guy rather than the older gentleman. Kudos for paying attention though. I probably would have just left the area and watched from a distance.

IMO, the gentleman with the pocket pistol violated gun handling ethics and his common sense was on vacation. Anyone who is legally carrying concealed should never present a weapon from its concealed location in public unless you intend to use it. We discuss this all the time here in the forums. If you are going to a gun store and there is a remote possibility that you need to show your gun, it should be cleared in your vehicle, placed in a gun rug or case and then enter the store. Even though the gun is unloaded and cased, still, the proper procedure should be to "ask" the counter person if you can open the case and remove the weapon. Always show "clear" anytime you pick up a gun.

This is how I would have handled it. Safety should have been the first priority here and it was obviously ignored.

BkCo1 · February 16th, 2009, 12:04 PM

Maybe the old guy put it in his pocket to take it into the store unloaded and still had his EDC under his sweatshirt.
You don't know Brady. Sound like you flew off the handle not knowing all the facts. Chill out guy. Carrying a weapon is supposed to make you calmer, not panic at shadows.

Semper Fi

FlyboyLDB · February 16th, 2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by boscobeans

OK.
1. I'm in a store that sells handguns.
2. Let's say there is no sign stating NO LOADED HANDGUNS.
3. I am carrying a pistol legally and it is loaded (its my EDC).
4. The clerk and I are discussing something about the pistol.
5. I ask if he wants to see it.
6. He says OK.
7. I produce the pistol, and keep it pointed at the floor.
8. I show him the serial number, finish, laser, proof mark, whatever.
9. I put the pistol back where I had been keeping it,(pocket,pouch, whatever).

? Is there something wrong here? This is after all, a place that buys and sells handguns.

bosco

I agree. Who knows what the conversation between the guy who pulled the gun and the clerk/owner - but maybe the clerk/owner desired to see it - maybe the guy ask if he could show the laser. It sounds like he kept / handled the gun in a safe manner. It would appear there would have been more handling of the firearm if he went through all the unloading / reloading steps just to show the laser. I know many people that carry the Kel-Tec .380 with no holster. I personally do not see an issue with this if it is in a pocket where nothing else is inserted - the pocket is your holster at that point.

dldeuce · February 16th, 2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bandit383

Actually, you assumed it was loaded because he pointed it at the ground...

He knew it was loaded because all guns are always loaded - period.

DaveH · February 16th, 2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by C9H13NO3

Depends on the circumstances. ... drew his loaded weapon, removed the magazine, cleared it, and let me handle it. I didn't see anything wrong with it, as he handed it to me in a cleared condition, but he was pulling out a loaded gun. I'd expect the same from anyone else.

Why was he pulling it out and turning on the laser? Was he showing it to someone? If so, I think he probably should have unloaded and cleared it before handling it, but that would be my only complaint. If he was just playing with it for no reason, pretty stupid.

Ditto.

I have drawn my loaded weapon, removed the magazine, and cleared it any number of times. I have seen others do it, also -- employees and customers.

About the only thing I would add is to be sure the employees and others around you know that you are going to do it.

Drawing a weapon suddenly and w/o prior notice is a good way to get shot, in this neck of the woods.

BradyM77 · February 16th, 2009, 05:35 PM

Definitely had my adrenaline pumping like I said it was definitely not expected to see somebody pull a gun from their pocket two feet from my head while stooped over.
I talked with the guys at the shop today and they agree that they don't like it when customers do what he did. All guns are supposed to be unloaded and in a case when brought into shop. If they are concealed they are supposed to stay concealed. They have a little sign on the bottom of the door among all the other "signage".
I talked with the clerk who he was talking to and they were just talking about "how often they carry". That's when he "unexpectedly" pulled it out to show that he was armed. They did agree with most on here that my reaction was over the top. But they understood why considering my head was two feet away when he pulled it. I apologized and made it up to them by putting some money down on a Remington 870.

rottkeeper · February 16th, 2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyM77

I apologized and made it up to them by putting some money down on a Remington 870.

Good job and good luck with the 870.

Thanis · February 16th, 2009, 06:53 PM

I think a few of the posts are a little hard on OPer. While I think he over reacted a little, there is a lot to be said with not being there. It would really depend on the vibe the guy was giving when he pulled the firearm. Several comfortable gun owners are idiots just as well as some gun owners are still a little gun paranoid.

AllAmerican · February 16th, 2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradyM77

Definitely had my adrenaline pumping like I said it was definitely not expected to see somebody pull a gun from their pocket two feet from my head while stooped over.
I talked with the guys at the shop today and they agree that they don't like it when customers do what he did. All guns are supposed to be unloaded and in a case when brought into shop. If they are concealed they are supposed to stay concealed. They have a little sign on the bottom of the door among all the other "signage".
I talked with the clerk who he was talking to and they were just talking about "how often they carry". That's when he "unexpectedly" pulled it out to show that he was armed. They did agree with most on here that my reaction was over the top. But they understood why considering my head was two feet away when he pulled it. I apologized and made it up to them by putting some money down on a Remington 870.

Thanks for the update and boom... new gun coming!

gunthorp · February 17th, 2009, 01:52 AM

Great choice for a guage...lots of aftermarket support and parts availability.

In any situation where I feel uncomfortable (assuming it was not my own doing by being in a stupid place, being with stupid people, or doing stupid things) I just seek cover, create distance, and exit. Because I'm armed, and I have to assume that others around me are armed, I will avoid doing or saying anything to anybody that may seem in the least bit confrontaitional.

Now if I could only figgure out how to do that at home.

February 16th, 2009, 09:23 AM	#41
Rcher Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Montana (resident) Utah (currently) Posts: 1,092	I think maybe you should have said something to the counter guy rather than the older gentleman. Kudos for paying attention though. I probably would have just left the area and watched from a distance. IMO, the gentleman with the pocket pistol violated gun handling ethics and his common sense was on vacation. Anyone who is legally carrying concealed should never present a weapon from its concealed location in public unless you intend to use it. We discuss this all the time here in the forums. If you are going to a gun store and there is a remote possibility that you need to show your gun, it should be cleared in your vehicle, placed in a gun rug or case and then enter the store. Even though the gun is unloaded and cased, still, the proper procedure should be to "ask" the counter person if you can open the case and remove the weapon. Always show "clear" anytime you pick up a gun. This is how I would have handled it. Safety should have been the first priority here and it was obviously ignored. __________________ >>----> Keep it Concealed: *"The Element of Surprise is Far Superior than the Target of Fate".*

February 16th, 2009, 05:35 PM	#46
BradyM77 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 636	Definitely had my adrenaline pumping like I said it was definitely not expected to see somebody pull a gun from their pocket two feet from my head while stooped over. I talked with the guys at the shop today and they agree that they don't like it when customers do what he did. All guns are supposed to be unloaded and in a case when brought into shop. If they are concealed they are supposed to stay concealed. They have a little sign on the bottom of the door among all the other "signage". I talked with the clerk who he was talking to and they were just talking about "how often they carry". That's when he "unexpectedly" pulled it out to show that he was armed. They did agree with most on here that my reaction was over the top. But they understood why considering my head was two feet away when he pulled it. I apologized and made it up to them by putting some money down on a Remington 870. __________________ Having a gun and saying you're armed is like having a guitar and saying you're a musician. Jeff Cooper

February 16th, 2009, 06:53 PM	#48
Thanis Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,704	I think a few of the posts are a little hard on OPer. While I think he over reacted a little, there is a lot to be said with not being there. It would really depend on the vibe the guy was giving when he pulled the firearm. Several comfortable gun owners are idiots just as well as some gun owners are still a little gun paranoid. __________________ NRA Member S&W 642 (no-lock) with .38 Spl +P 135 GR Gold GDHP Glock G31 & G33 with .357 Sig 125 GR. SXT Winchester Ranger

February 17th, 2009, 01:52 AM	#50
gunthorp Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lake Superior Posts: 1,019	Great choice for a guage...lots of aftermarket support and parts availability. In any situation where I feel uncomfortable (assuming it was not my own doing by being in a stupid place, being with stupid people, or doing stupid things) I just seek cover, create distance, and exit. Because I'm armed, and I have to assume that others around me are armed, I will avoid doing or saying anything to anybody that may seem in the least bit confrontaitional. Now if I could only figgure out how to do that at home. __________________ Don't dither. The nick of time comes just before the moment lost.

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February 16th, 2009, 12:04 PM	#42
BkCo1 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 275	Maybe the old guy put it in his pocket to take it into the store unloaded and still had his EDC under his sweatshirt. You don't know Brady. Sound like you flew off the handle not knowing all the facts. Chill out guy. Carrying a weapon is supposed to make you calmer, not panic at shadows. Semper Fi