Bad News for NJ - Page 2

rocky · February 23rd, 2006, 07:52 PM

Dang liberals , whish they would just move to Europe and not have to worry about evil guns.

older gunner · February 24th, 2006, 03:17 AM

Sorry to hear this distressing news. I spent a lot of time working in Jersey and found the people to be great. Can't say as much for the politicos I ran into. A lot of corruption and acceptance of things I didn't like. I'd never be able to live there.

dpesec · February 24th, 2006, 08:16 AM

Jim,
I suspect these bills are just an attempt to grab some headlines. The real key is to kill them in commitee. Smaller number of politicians to deal with.
You're right, people need to be able to defend themselves and when the politicians take that away either the politicans need to be voted out of office or, as you say, vote with feet.

sojourner · February 24th, 2006, 10:08 AM

I live in PA and work across the border in NJ. I work out of my house, so my trips to NJ are infrequent (guest lecturer for college classes and the occasional trip into NJ for a business meeting).

It i crazy over there. Couple quick stories.

I know a PA LEO that lives across the border in PRK-NJ. The chief of the town he lives in spent the time and energy to contact him and tell him that he would be arrested if he carried to/fro work and was caught in NJ, even while in uniform.

Another guy I used to work with, drove his truck into NJ. No guns, just some ammo. Apparently that caused a problem. Got his vehicle confiscated. Not sure what else happened. Not sure if it was the terrible JHP ammo, which is illegal in NJ.

My real close buddy, a NJ LEO, stopped by my house so we could go grab some coffee. He's looking for a BUG and wanted to see what I have. As I'm clearing the 642, he sees the JHP, and says "Bud, that's illegal", me: "no it isn't", him: "I just don't want to see you get into trouble, not trying to be a PITA.". me: "in the Peoples Republic of NJ it is illegal, but in the commonwealth of PA, it is perfectly legal." Huh? Yup. NJ is draconian. He grew up in PA, with good 2A laws, got a LEO position in NJ, w/ the priviliges of LEO / gun carrying, and never gave thought to the differences between NJ and the rest of the nation (to defend him, he is only enforcing NJ law).

In the past I worked in a large corporate central office in NJ. A woman had a PFA order against her estranged husband. She had given out copies of the PFA to the guards w/ picture of subject of PFA. Guards let the guy come in. He gets to her office, draws the semi, and has a misfire or a jam. Two of my friends, both anti-gun, were right there and wrestled him to the ground and disarmed him. Now, everyone in that area "sees" that guns are evil.

Lastly, I've trained some NJ LEO in unarmed combat. I've had numerous invitations to come to their ranges w/ them to shoot. I'm sheit scared to even think of taking a firearm across the Delaware, even if I am going shooting w/ LEO.

NJ, the criminal haven. Anyone ever go into Newark? Scary. I've been there in the daytime (went to the Portugese (SP?) section for lunch. Got sidetracked leaving. Out of the Portugese section and into a different section. WOW!!!!

NJ is seriously messed up!!!

500Mag · February 24th, 2006, 02:11 PM

If I'm not mistaken, JHP are only illegal for self defense in NJ, however you can use them for target practice. Also they do sell JHP in the state which leads me to believe they aren't banned.

firefighter4884 · February 25th, 2006, 03:15 AM

I'm with John on this one, JHP ammo is definately not illegal for sale and use as a target load in NJ. Use it in the name of self defense, or carry IF you manage to get a CCW, and you're in real big trouble.

With the career that I'm looking to go into, if I'm forced to remain in NJ, I know I'll have at least one firearm (part of the job). OTOH, if this legislation passes, I'm definately moving to PA, at least as far as the state is concerned, as are my firearms (family in PA). If for some reason my grandmother should pass on before this all comes to pass, I'll move across the river and commute back to NJ.

--Jim

sojourner · February 25th, 2006, 08:54 PM

wrt to hollowpoints, I was passing on what a NJ LEO said to me. So I stand corrected. I can neutralize paper just fine w/ FMJ.

NJ is just unbelieveable!!!

February 24th, 2006, 08:16 AM	#13
dpesec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 518	Jim, I suspect these bills are just an attempt to grab some headlines. The real key is to kill them in commitee. Smaller number of politicians to deal with. You're right, people need to be able to defend themselves and when the politicians take that away either the politicans need to be voted out of office or, as you say, vote with feet. __________________ Dave “The highest obligation and privilege of citizenship is that of bearing arms”. General George Patton—US Army Vis et Veneratio "So this is how democracy dies: to thunderous applause." Actress Natalie Portman as Padme in Star Wars Revenge of the Sith

February 24th, 2006, 02:11 PM	#15
500Mag Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 384	If I'm not mistaken, JHP are only illegal for self defense in NJ, however you can use them for target practice. Also they do sell JHP in the state which leads me to believe they aren't banned. __________________ "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

February 25th, 2006, 03:15 AM	#16
firefighter4884 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wadesville, IN Posts: 636	I'm with John on this one, JHP ammo is definately not illegal for sale and use as a target load in NJ. Use it in the name of self defense, or carry IF you manage to get a CCW, and you're in real big trouble. With the career that I'm looking to go into, if I'm forced to remain in NJ, I know I'll have at least one firearm (part of the job). OTOH, if this legislation passes, I'm definately moving to PA, at least as far as the state is concerned, as are my firearms (family in PA). If for some reason my grandmother should pass on before this all comes to pass, I'll move across the river and commute back to NJ. --Jim __________________ Firefighter / EMT - Always Ready. Ever Willing. ~Never do anything that you don't want to have to explain to the paramedics...~

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February 23rd, 2006, 07:52 PM	#11
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 11,624	Dang liberals , whish they would just move to Europe and not have to worry about evil guns.

February 24th, 2006, 03:17 AM	#12
older gunner Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida Panhandle Posts: 592	Sorry to hear this distressing news. I spent a lot of time working in Jersey and found the people to be great. Can't say as much for the politicos I ran into. A lot of corruption and acceptance of things I didn't like. I'd never be able to live there.

February 24th, 2006, 10:08 AM	#14
sojourner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: PA Posts: 977	I live in PA and work across the border in NJ. I work out of my house, so my trips to NJ are infrequent (guest lecturer for college classes and the occasional trip into NJ for a business meeting). It i crazy over there. Couple quick stories. I know a PA LEO that lives across the border in PRK-NJ. The chief of the town he lives in spent the time and energy to contact him and tell him that he would be arrested if he carried to/fro work and was caught in NJ, even while in uniform. Another guy I used to work with, drove his truck into NJ. No guns, just some ammo. Apparently that caused a problem. Got his vehicle confiscated. Not sure what else happened. Not sure if it was the terrible JHP ammo, which is illegal in NJ. My real close buddy, a NJ LEO, stopped by my house so we could go grab some coffee. He's looking for a BUG and wanted to see what I have. As I'm clearing the 642, he sees the JHP, and says "Bud, that's illegal", me: "no it isn't", him: "I just don't want to see you get into trouble, not trying to be a PITA.". me: "in the Peoples Republic of NJ it is illegal, but in the commonwealth of PA, it is perfectly legal." Huh? Yup. NJ is draconian. He grew up in PA, with good 2A laws, got a LEO position in NJ, w/ the priviliges of LEO / gun carrying, and never gave thought to the differences between NJ and the rest of the nation (to defend him, he is only enforcing NJ law). In the past I worked in a large corporate central office in NJ. A woman had a PFA order against her estranged husband. She had given out copies of the PFA to the guards w/ picture of subject of PFA. Guards let the guy come in. He gets to her office, draws the semi, and has a misfire or a jam. Two of my friends, both anti-gun, were right there and wrestled him to the ground and disarmed him. Now, everyone in that area "sees" that guns are evil. Lastly, I've trained some NJ LEO in unarmed combat. I've had numerous invitations to come to their ranges w/ them to shoot. I'm sheit scared to even think of taking a firearm across the Delaware, even if I am going shooting w/ LEO. NJ, the criminal haven. Anyone ever go into Newark? Scary. I've been there in the daytime (went to the Portugese (SP?) section for lunch. Got sidetracked leaving. Out of the Portugese section and into a different section. WOW!!!! NJ is seriously messed up!!!

February 25th, 2006, 08:54 PM	#17
sojourner Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: PA Posts: 977	wrt to hollowpoints, I was passing on what a NJ LEO said to me. So I stand corrected. I can neutralize paper just fine w/ FMJ. NJ is just unbelieveable!!!