New Utah Concealed Carry Video

CarryUtah · June 20th, 2009, 04:54 PM

Me and another instructor in my group just posted this new video on our site about Utah Concealed Carry Classes. What do you guys think?

YouTube - Utah Concealed Carry Classes from CarryUtah.com

muddy · June 20th, 2009, 05:12 PM

Well you asked.

I think its a good ploy to get people into your class but you are claiming its a good general firearms training course. Well how can that be. How can you teach firearm safety, range safety, cleaning, ect without getting hands on. An important part of firearms is shooting isn't it? There are way better beginner firearms classes out here then the Utah CWP class. I also like how you talk down on classes taught by retired or active officers. I would rather get instruction from a guy with some real life experience then a guy with some book learning. Plus the big guy needs to work on his public speaking, the hand gestures would drive me crazy during a class.

Guess the class I took from the cop was worthless.

TapRackBang · June 21st, 2009, 04:03 AM

Yeah you did ask,

I didn't watch the whole thing cuz, I am old and I fall alseep easy. I did go to your website and I noticed acouple of things.

1st, its a nice website very sharp and clean.

2nd Between the 4 instructors you have a total of 7 years instructing.

Which to me explains why you do not have your students shoot live fire.

3rd You state that your classes are scheduled for three hours, the BCI website recommends at least 4.

From the BCI website

Quote:

To properly teach the courses minimum training standard, in person training consisting of a minimum of 4 hours is recommended. This time frame should consist of course related material not to include extra services such as fingerprinting, photos, etc.

My classes at 8 hr classes, my law and legal issues are 3 hours by themself. If a student is going to get in trouble is going to be because of a lack of knowledge in the legal issues.

But at least your website states that its the best CCW class in Utah.

When you stop teaching for the money and teach for the benefit of your student, then you'll be doing it for the right reason.

I would like to say mine is the best class in Utah but since I am a current police officer (30+ years) with only 15+ years of teaching experience. I would not even consider making that statement, but yeah what do I know.

Good luck with your venture, Make lots o money.

Dan

AZ & UT CCW Instructor, NRA Pistol, Rifle & Shotgun Instructor, NRA SRO, AZ & UT POST Handgun Instructor, AZ POST Rifle, Shotgun, High Risk Vehicle Stop Instructor, H&K SWAT Instructor school, Surefire Low Light Instructor, High Risk Entry Instructor, Tactical Tracking Instructor, Less Lethal Instructor, Sig Sauer & Colt 1911 Certified Armor, SWAT Commander

SGT Jensen · June 21st, 2009, 06:02 AM

Can I get in on that Valentines Day deal?

A Utah Concealed Firearm Permit class is not supposed to be "general firearms training course".
You are there to verify a few requirements that the State has laid out.
If you wish to further educate someone about firearms, I think you should offer that as additional training.
I see no need to confuse an applicant with Utah law and instructor opinion.

Utah code requires an applicant to show... (d) evidence of general familiarity with the types of firearms to be concealed as defined in Subsection (7).

(7) (a) General familiarity with the types of firearms to be concealed includes training in:
(i) the safe loading, unloading, storage, and carrying of the types of firearms to be concealed; and
(ii) current laws defining lawful use of a firearm by a private citizen, including lawful self-defense, use of force by a private citizen, including use of deadly force, transportation, and concealment.

That's it. All of the other requirements will be verified by the State.
These training requirements are less strict that what they were just a few years ago, which I believe to be a good thing.
The State of Utah is slowly realizing that criminalizing concealed carry is useless, and hopefully we will adopt an "Alaska Style" carry next year.
I have heard from two legislators so far that are working towards this goal. I urge you to support them if they do introduce a bill.

If you want to be in the business of selling training, then I say "good for you!"

But in all reality, I see no need to include additional training that the State has not required.

Sell it separately, you might make some more money.

Censored · June 22nd, 2009, 10:09 AM

You DID ask for opinions. This is a joke, right? That's 5 minutes and 28 seconds of my life I'll never get back, sigh.

retsupt99 · June 22nd, 2009, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarryUtah

Me and another instructor in my group just posted this new video on our site about Utah Concealed Carry Classes. What do you guys think?

YouTube - Utah Concealed Carry Classes from CarryUtah.com

It's not 'Me and another instructor'...it's 'Another instructor and I' (nominative case)...if in doubt, take "and another instructor in my group"out of the sentence.
I'm just sayin'...

CarryUtah · June 25th, 2009, 06:17 AM

I appreciate your feedback. I value the opinion of people who as far as I can tell do know what they are talking about and so for that thank you.

As a fair reply I would like to add that where we say things like the best instructors and best classes in the state we are obviously advertising and yes it is our hope to do a good business. Of course we cannot know or guarantee that we have the best class or instructors in the state.

That having been said I don't think its super fair for you to pass judgement on us or our instruction. BCI does suggest a 4 hour class but Doug Anderson and Jeff Dunn who are in charge of concealed weapon instruction have both sat through my 3 and 1/2 hour class and feel strongly that we do a very good job at explaining the laws and covering all the required instruction in a clear and concise manner.

The instruction is general in nature as I think you would agree its far from specific in any degree. I agree 100% that anyone committed to carrying a firearm should get some time on the range and some additional training but we aren't the only people around teaching a class without range time and in fact I'd say the majority don't. We do offer additional training on the range to our students who request it after the class and yes we do have a degree of experience that may not match many of you but if we went shooting together I'm sure you would not be soo quick to judge.

As to the comments about our experience you are right that in many ways we do not have the years of experience that many instructors bring. I took the class from an ex-cop and enjoyed my experience but I do truly believe that there is a difference in perspective from an instructor with a law enforcement background vs an instructor without any military etc.

I'm sure that Clark Aposhian and Steve Beckstead would agree with me since they are generally acclaimed as the best instructors in the area and neither have law enforcement experience. I'm not trying to discredit those from that background but simply point out the difference.

When its all said and done you are right that the video is meant to be an advertisement and not an informative video. We do value business and yes we even intend to profit from our labor. But please don't pass judgement so quickly as to claim that we do not value the instruction or the importance of how it is taught and to whom it is taught. I wouldn't make claims against any of you or your methods unless I witnessed them in person.

Thanks for the compliments on the website by the way!

Jacob Paulsen

kentuckycarry · June 25th, 2009, 11:32 AM

I tried to watch the entire video. I had to turn it off at about the 3 minute mark. I doubt very many people are going to take the time to watch the entire video. The cutting away, almost mid sentence, was annoying. Good luck with your class.

PastorPack · June 25th, 2009, 12:39 PM

I mean this to be CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. The guy in the tie could stand to tuck the shirt better, wear the tie so that it goes down to the beltline. Try not to talk with your hands as much. The second guy just sounds too defensive. Don't spend so much time telling us how most people will not actually carry. This is a carry course. Tell us about what we will learn at the class. Don't put down other classes, sell us on the merits of your class. Honestly, you both look pretty young and that will just plain hurt you with potential customers that are older than you. Also, I don't think it was a plus to put down instructors with LE experience, there is just no upside to doing that.
Some video editing suggestions. For a promo video, this is a little long. Get it down to three minutes tops. There were several points where it was redundant. Try getting some other footage in there, perhaps some scenes from a real class, some range footage, or even a mocked-up defensive situation (all with voice-over).

TheRogue · June 25th, 2009, 03:28 PM

Just to comment on the length of the UT course...

Having experienced a 6+ hour UT course myself, 2 hrs. would have been more than sufficient.

Your 3 1/2 hr. course length sounds fine to me!

June 20th, 2009, 04:54 PM	#1
CarryUtah New Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 8	New Utah Concealed Carry Video Me and another instructor in my group just posted this new video on our site about Utah Concealed Carry Classes. What do you guys think? YouTube - Utah Concealed Carry Classes from CarryUtah.com __________________ Jacob S Paulsen http://www.carryutah.com Utah Concealed Carry Instructor, NRA Instructor & RSO

June 21st, 2009, 06:02 AM	#4
SGT Jensen Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Utah County, Utah Posts: 69	Can I get in on that Valentines Day deal? A Utah Concealed Firearm Permit class is not supposed to be "general firearms training course". You are there to verify a few requirements that the State has laid out. If you wish to further educate someone about firearms, I think you should offer that as additional training. I see no need to confuse an applicant with Utah law and instructor opinion. Utah code requires an applicant to show... (d) evidence of general familiarity with the types of firearms to be concealed as defined in Subsection (7). (7) (a) General familiarity with the types of firearms to be concealed includes training in: (i) the safe loading, unloading, storage, and carrying of the types of firearms to be concealed; and (ii) current laws defining lawful use of a firearm by a private citizen, including lawful self-defense, use of force by a private citizen, including use of deadly force, transportation, and concealment. That's it. All of the other requirements will be verified by the State. These training requirements are less strict that what they were just a few years ago, which I believe to be a good thing. The State of Utah is slowly realizing that criminalizing concealed carry is useless, and hopefully we will adopt an "Alaska Style" carry next year. I have heard from two legislators so far that are working towards this goal. I urge you to support them if they do introduce a bill. If you want to be in the business of selling training, then I say "good for you!" But in all reality, I see no need to include additional training that the State has not required. Sell it separately, you might make some more money. __________________ SGT Kevin Jensen Utah State Researcher, www.opencarry.org

June 25th, 2009, 06:17 AM	#7
CarryUtah New Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 8	Fair Enough I appreciate your feedback. I value the opinion of people who as far as I can tell do know what they are talking about and so for that thank you. As a fair reply I would like to add that where we say things like the best instructors and best classes in the state we are obviously advertising and yes it is our hope to do a good business. Of course we cannot know or guarantee that we have the best class or instructors in the state. That having been said I don't think its super fair for you to pass judgement on us or our instruction. BCI does suggest a 4 hour class but Doug Anderson and Jeff Dunn who are in charge of concealed weapon instruction have both sat through my 3 and 1/2 hour class and feel strongly that we do a very good job at explaining the laws and covering all the required instruction in a clear and concise manner. The instruction is general in nature as I think you would agree its far from specific in any degree. I agree 100% that anyone committed to carrying a firearm should get some time on the range and some additional training but we aren't the only people around teaching a class without range time and in fact I'd say the majority don't. We do offer additional training on the range to our students who request it after the class and yes we do have a degree of experience that may not match many of you but if we went shooting together I'm sure you would not be soo quick to judge. As to the comments about our experience you are right that in many ways we do not have the years of experience that many instructors bring. I took the class from an ex-cop and enjoyed my experience but I do truly believe that there is a difference in perspective from an instructor with a law enforcement background vs an instructor without any military etc. I'm sure that Clark Aposhian and Steve Beckstead would agree with me since they are generally acclaimed as the best instructors in the area and neither have law enforcement experience. I'm not trying to discredit those from that background but simply point out the difference. When its all said and done you are right that the video is meant to be an advertisement and not an informative video. We do value business and yes we even intend to profit from our labor. But please don't pass judgement so quickly as to claim that we do not value the instruction or the importance of how it is taught and to whom it is taught. I wouldn't make claims against any of you or your methods unless I witnessed them in person. Thanks for the compliments on the website by the way! Jacob Paulsen __________________ Jacob S Paulsen http://www.carryutah.com Utah Concealed Carry Instructor, NRA Instructor & RSO

June 25th, 2009, 11:32 AM	#8
kentuckycarry VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: kentucky Posts: 2,193	I tried to watch the entire video. I had to turn it off at about the 3 minute mark. I doubt very many people are going to take the time to watch the entire video. The cutting away, almost mid sentence, was annoying. Good luck with your class. __________________ Prepare for the worst and hope it never happens

June 25th, 2009, 12:39 PM	#9
PastorPack Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,124	I mean this to be CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. The guy in the tie could stand to tuck the shirt better, wear the tie so that it goes down to the beltline. Try not to talk with your hands as much. The second guy just sounds too defensive. Don't spend so much time telling us how most people will not actually carry. This is a carry course. Tell us about what we will learn at the class. Don't put down other classes, sell us on the merits of your class. Honestly, you both look pretty young and that will just plain hurt you with potential customers that are older than you. Also, I don't think it was a plus to put down instructors with LE experience, there is just no upside to doing that. Some video editing suggestions. For a promo video, this is a little long. Get it down to three minutes tops. There were several points where it was redundant. Try getting some other footage in there, perhaps some scenes from a real class, some range footage, or even a mocked-up defensive situation (all with voice-over). __________________ God is love (1 John 4:8)

June 20th, 2009, 05:12 PM	#2
muddy Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Utah Posts: 126	Well you asked. I think its a good ploy to get people into your class but you are claiming its a good general firearms training course. Well how can that be. How can you teach firearm safety, range safety, cleaning, ect without getting hands on. An important part of firearms is shooting isn't it? There are way better beginner firearms classes out here then the Utah CWP class. I also like how you talk down on classes taught by retired or active officers. I would rather get instruction from a guy with some real life experience then a guy with some book learning. Plus the big guy needs to work on his public speaking, the hand gestures would drive me crazy during a class. Guess the class I took from the cop was worthless.

June 22nd, 2009, 10:09 AM	#5
Censored Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 122	You DID ask for opinions. This is a joke, right? That's 5 minutes and 28 seconds of my life I'll never get back, sigh.

June 25th, 2009, 03:28 PM	#10
TheRogue Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: State of Jefferson Posts: 44	Just to comment on the length of the UT course... Having experienced a 6+ hour UT course myself, 2 hrs. would have been more than sufficient. Your 3 1/2 hr. course length sounds fine to me!

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