Almost drew gun today, Did spray mace (kinda long) - Page 15

JimH58 · June 27th, 2009, 02:34 PM

I once had a dog take a chunk of flesh out of my leg about 3/4 inch deep. No damn fun at all so I don't blame you for your reaction.

TerriLi · June 27th, 2009, 02:37 PM

Considering I was attacked by a neighbors dog while under my truck, I can now see macing any dog that charges me. Learned my lesson, play it safe.

AdoptedTexan · June 27th, 2009, 06:52 PM

We are dog lovers, but you were correct in taking action while being charged by the dogs. Thanks for using the Mace and not the handgun. That would have been ugly, potentially. And unnecessary, in all likelihood. As to the neighbor, well, you didn't win the lottery on this one, did you? I had a neighbor once who threatened to shoot my dog if he came across the street into his yard. Actually, he told that to my wife, big tuff guy that he was. We keep our dogs in our yard, but one got out and we retrieved her. She barks alot. So did my neighbor. He was a deadbeat and had his home foreclosed, even before it became a serious problem, and he destroyed much of the home before moving out. New neighbors now, and they're great. Maybe yours will move. We can only hope.

JNC · June 28th, 2009, 09:10 AM

I'm a dog owner/lover. If I were you're neighbor... I would be very grateful that you reached for your mace and not your weapon. I would be doing some serious aplogizing for letting my dogs charge you and not having them under control.

Bannack · June 28th, 2009, 10:49 AM

I had a job once where a firearm was not allowed to be carried, even though we were out and about doing underground utility line locates. So I carried Counter Assault Bear Spray, because of some of the areas we got into, we did run up against some griz that would be out and about.

Well the Counter Assault Bear Spray works on dogs very effectively I might add

But, I believe the deputy is wrong for telling you not to carry your firearm.

chains1240 · June 28th, 2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ccw9mm

Seems to me that two boxers attacking in tandem are a far, far cry from a young child on a bicycle.

Especially if that "young child" was only 150 pounds (3/4 grown)

ccw9mm · June 28th, 2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chains1240

Especially if that "young child" was only 150 pounds (3/4 grown)

I submit that a clear attack is clear to a reasonable man. Size is only part of the degree of threat perceived, and it merely hints at age, and age only hints at the naivete or stupidity possible in such a small package. Either way, that one factor you point out (size) combines with manner, behavior and actions to support an assessment of threat. The totality of circumstances and factors matter.

The point was, comparing a charging pair of boxer dogs acting in tandem in what appeared to a reasonable person to be an attack with a "child on a bike" is unworthy of us. An attack is an attack, whether it comes in one package or another. Should it meet the standards justifying force to defend, then it does ... irrespective of whether it's dogs, felons, children or whatever.

chains1240 · June 28th, 2009, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccw9mm

I submit that a clear attack is clear to a reasonable man. Size is only part of the degree of threat perceived, and it merely hints at age, and age only hints at the naivete or stupidity possible in such a small package. Either way, that one factor you point out (size) combines with manner, behavior and actions to support an assessment of threat. The totality of circumstances and factors matter.

The point was, comparing a charging pair of boxer dogs acting in tandem in what appeared to a reasonable person to be an attack with a "child on a bike" is unworthy of us. An attack is an attack, whether it comes in one package or another. Should it meet the standards justifying force to defend, then it does ... irrespective of whether it's dogs, felons, children or whatever.

CCW9MM, My post about the 150 pound 3/4 size child was in reference to a few previous posts, and in no way was a negative comment to your post. And your reply that included "the totality of circumstances" speaks of your intelligence and education. I apologize if there was a misunderstanding brought about by my reply to your participation in the discussion.

ccw9mm · June 28th, 2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chains1240

CCW9MM, My post about the 150 pound 3/4 size child was in reference to a few previous posts ...

No worries.

There's big 11yr old children around here, too.

June 27th, 2009, 02:34 PM	#141
JimH58 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern Kentucky Posts: 300	I once had a dog take a chunk of flesh out of my leg about 3/4 inch deep. No damn fun at all so I don't blame you for your reaction. __________________ JimH Kentucky ****************************** S&W 442, Bersa 380, S&W 9mm M&P, Springfield XD40c ****************************** Member: NRA, USCCA

June 27th, 2009, 02:37 PM	#142
TerriLi Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 835	Considering I was attacked by a neighbors dog while under my truck, I can now see macing any dog that charges me. Learned my lesson, play it safe. __________________ I know not what this "overkill" means.

June 27th, 2009, 06:52 PM	#143
AdoptedTexan Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 56	You Were Right We are dog lovers, but you were correct in taking action while being charged by the dogs. Thanks for using the Mace and not the handgun. That would have been ugly, potentially. And unnecessary, in all likelihood. As to the neighbor, well, you didn't win the lottery on this one, did you? I had a neighbor once who threatened to shoot my dog if he came across the street into his yard. Actually, he told that to my wife, big tuff guy that he was. We keep our dogs in our yard, but one got out and we retrieved her. She barks alot. So did my neighbor. He was a deadbeat and had his home foreclosed, even before it became a serious problem, and he destroyed much of the home before moving out. New neighbors now, and they're great. Maybe yours will move. We can only hope.

June 28th, 2009, 10:49 AM	#145
Bannack Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kalsipell, Mt Posts: 40	I had a job once where a firearm was not allowed to be carried, even though we were out and about doing underground utility line locates. So I carried Counter Assault Bear Spray, because of some of the areas we got into, we did run up against some griz that would be out and about. Well the Counter Assault Bear Spray works on dogs very effectively I might add But, I believe the deputy is wrong for telling you not to carry your firearm. __________________ *10mm Rocks* Never argue with an idiot. They'll only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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June 28th, 2009, 09:10 AM	#144
JNC Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 40	I'm a dog owner/lover. If I were you're neighbor... I would be very grateful that you reached for your mace and not your weapon. I would be doing some serious aplogizing for letting my dogs charge you and not having them under control.