Almost drew gun today, Did spray mace (kinda long) - Page 7

avgeekjlb · June 26th, 2009, 09:17 AM

I have a 95lb Golden Retriever that is my family (he loves everyone and has been known to even lick the UPS guy). However, we were walking one day and some new neighbors kids were walking a 120lb Akita puppy... yes, I said puppy. It got loose and was running from the girl all over the neighborhood. It ran up and sniffed my dog and then acted like it was going to walk off. It then abruptly turned and attacked my GR. Thank goodness he wasnt' harmed. I put him in the house and attempted to help her and her reluctant father to catch the "Puppy" and it tried to attack me and yes I do know the differences... The dad "military" shrugged both incidences off and didn't even apologize for my dog being attacked. He was even reluctant to go after the dog simply saying "he'll come back when he feels like it". I now carry Mace Muzzle and my .45. The girl (approx 80 to 90lbs) continues to walk the now 140 or 150lb dog... She couldn't control him if she needed to. I'll call animal control if this happens again and have it removed from the neighborhood. Leash laws do have consequences...

Oh, and about boxers being harmless. I believe that if dogs are raised properly that any breed is harmless. I've been around pits, rotties, and dobies that were like big teddy bears. The trouble is that most owners (yes I will say most) aren't responsible enough with the more "powerful/aggressive" breeds. People these days get a puppy and think that walks, feeding, and watering along with vet care is enough and they are wrong. I know of two people that have boxers that can't let them close to people or other dogs because of prior attacks. I've had GR's all my life and make it my responsibility to know everything I can about the breed and proper training...

Ok, I'll get off my Soap Box now... Just my two cents...

chains1240 · June 26th, 2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PNUT

I guess since I've suffered a dog bite that left permanent damage I'm qualified to comment.
There's a big difference between a dog running up to you in greeting and a "charging" dog. Barking,growling,snarling,ears back.....those are dead give aways.You can't tell the difference between the two ?
Re-reading the post I do think it was an over reaction,the OP does state already having a bad day,hating the neighborhood, other bad experiences with local dogs, all of those factors probably contributed. still no one should be scared to walk down the street.
We all have the right to walk down the street unmolested by other people, their pets, and even their children. I'd rather that the puppy gets maced today then ran over or shot tomorrow.
The good that I see in this case ,is that it may just serve to make the guy a more responsible pet owner,Keeping your dogs on your property and out of the streets is never a bad thing.

I will definitely agree that the sheer amount of loose dogs in my community has me on edge when it comes to dogs approaching me, in an aggressive manner, and I know the difference. But given the circumstances and the temporary effects of the OC spray I feel a lot better if it was an overreaction rather than not reacting at all and getting attacked. I feel best that I wasn't hurt, and the dogs were not hurt. But I am still not amused that me and my family have to drive to another community to safely walk and exercise. I was having a bad day that is for sure and that incident was the icing on the cake. But nothing up to that point changes the law regarding loose dogs, or changes the unpredictable nature of dogs. Err on the side of caution.

BamaSteve · June 26th, 2009, 11:11 AM

I think you did what YOU thought was right for the situation, and the fact you are okay is what is important. And no permanent damage to the pups. But I will say that I probably wouldn't have done it, just me personally though. Reminds me of a time I walked out of my apartment and a bulldog came running at me. Kinda freaked me out, but then I just stood there and he got to me, gave me a good sniff and went on his way.

Like I said, I won't say what you did was wrong. I just think it wasn't for me. It just opens up room for a potential lawsuit liability and I prefer to minimize those.

dldeuce · June 26th, 2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chains1240

And let me translate: Another person who has no clue about the true nature of Pitbulls that believes that only Pitbulls and dogs like them are dangerous. Get bit by a dog LIKE I WAS BEFORE and maybe you will change your tune. This "puppy" was bigger than my 64 pound dog. And the first Boxer was certainly full grown. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I made it home. Mall Ninja: A term used in forums to mean an unexperienced and enthusiastic weapon(usually a firearm)owner who pretends to be a seasoned operator. I do not think that receiving training in firearms by the U.S. Army and taking a NRA course on Firearms Safety to get my CPL would make me a mall ninja, does it?

This has nothing to do with marauding pitbulls on a killing spree. It has nothing to do with other dogs that attacked you before, even though the chip on your shoulder about it probably does. It has to do with whether this particular puppy was going to bite you, if it was reasonable to mace the puppy, and more importantly, and I have to laugh, was it reasonable for you to start drawing your gun to fend off this puppy and all his "lethal weapons." You made an enormous mountain out of a molehill.

xXxplosive · June 26th, 2009, 12:16 PM

Way to go..............personally I'm sick and tired also of walking down the street in our town and having dogs leave their property in an agressive fashion either towards me or my wife when she walks our dog. We have had dogs for the last 30yrs. and never had one leave our unfenced property ever. We always know where they are. On the other hand our property is posted "Beware Of Dog" if you enter on our land expect to meet our dog......glad you used the mace maybe now the owner got the message and your not bit.

dldeuce · June 26th, 2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xXxplosive

glad you used the mace maybe now the owner got the message and your not bit.

Macing a dog to teach an owner a lesson is pathetic.

FastDraw · June 26th, 2009, 12:43 PM

OK, here's my two cents...... If I understand the OP he had a split second to decide what to do. He managed to stop a potential attack without killing the dog. I think he did the right thing.

BTW, I love dogs with a passion.....

JoJoGunn · June 26th, 2009, 01:36 PM

Let's all look at the circumstances, think the point is being missed.

Dogs charging, not knowing intent, they don't talk much about it. Wait until it has 150 lbs of pressure on any of your bones before you do something? Or until it's "killing" you with kindness, by licking you? Why take chances?

The whole point is the owner of said dog is a moron. He put the dog into that situation by not having it under control. THE OWNER IS AT FAULT!!! Should have pepper sprayed him AFTER peppering the dog. Which in my opinion, the OP had no choice but to defend himself from an unknown intent by the dogs.

It's sad that the dogs had to go through that just because the owner is a tool. Given the same set of circumstances, I would have reacted likewise. The OP is 100% in the right.

***rant off***

dldeuce · June 26th, 2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FastDraw

OK, here's my two cents...... If I understand the OP he had a split second to decide what to do. He managed to stop a potential attack without killing the dog. I think he did the right thing.

This is when you have a split second to react to a dog attack. Of course, that's not what happened here.

The topic that's relevant to this forum is the drawing of a gun, the "potential" need for killing the dog (I have to laugh when I say that), and having the police come out on a "man with a gun" call, all over a puppy approaching a guy in the street. This is the stuff of mall ninja legend.

dldeuce · June 26th, 2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JoJoGunn

THE OWNER IS AT FAULT!!! Should have pepper sprayed him AFTER peppering the dog.

NICE! Hey, maybe he should have just shot him dead.

Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:

(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and

(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or

(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, violation of leash laws, or aggravated robbery.

June 26th, 2009, 09:17 AM	#61
avgeekjlb Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 45	I have a 95lb Golden Retriever that is my family (he loves everyone and has been known to even lick the UPS guy). However, we were walking one day and some new neighbors kids were walking a 120lb Akita puppy... yes, I said puppy. It got loose and was running from the girl all over the neighborhood. It ran up and sniffed my dog and then acted like it was going to walk off. It then abruptly turned and attacked my GR. Thank goodness he wasnt' harmed. I put him in the house and attempted to help her and her reluctant father to catch the "Puppy" and it tried to attack me and yes I do know the differences... The dad "military" shrugged both incidences off and didn't even apologize for my dog being attacked. He was even reluctant to go after the dog simply saying "he'll come back when he feels like it". I now carry Mace Muzzle and my .45. The girl (approx 80 to 90lbs) continues to walk the now 140 or 150lb dog... She couldn't control him if she needed to. I'll call animal control if this happens again and have it removed from the neighborhood. Leash laws do have consequences... Oh, and about boxers being harmless. I believe that if dogs are raised properly that any breed is harmless. I've been around pits, rotties, and dobies that were like big teddy bears. The trouble is that most owners (yes I will say most) aren't responsible enough with the more "powerful/aggressive" breeds. People these days get a puppy and think that walks, feeding, and watering along with vet care is enough and they are wrong. I know of two people that have boxers that can't let them close to people or other dogs because of prior attacks. I've had GR's all my life and make it my responsibility to know everything I can about the breed and proper training... Ok, I'll get off my Soap Box now... Just my two cents... __________________ "The way I figure it having a concealed gun is like wearing your seat belt. You hope that you never need it but, the one time you don't wear it and something happens you or your mourning family will be sorry you didn't have it."

June 26th, 2009, 11:11 AM	#63
BamaSteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 663	I think you did what YOU thought was right for the situation, and the fact you are okay is what is important. And no permanent damage to the pups. But I will say that I probably wouldn't have done it, just me personally though. Reminds me of a time I walked out of my apartment and a bulldog came running at me. Kinda freaked me out, but then I just stood there and he got to me, gave me a good sniff and went on his way. Like I said, I won't say what you did was wrong. I just think it wasn't for me. It just opens up room for a potential lawsuit liability and I prefer to minimize those. __________________ Smith & Wesson M&P9cCrossbreed Supertuck EDC Light:Nitecore EX10 R2 EDC Knife:Remington Sportsman Series “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” --Thomas Jefferson 1816

June 26th, 2009, 12:43 PM	#67
FastDraw Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Out West Posts: 370	OK, here's my two cents...... If I understand the OP he had a split second to decide what to do. He managed to stop a potential attack without killing the dog. I think he did the right thing. BTW, I love dogs with a passion..... __________________ Be Alert and Stay Safe FastDraw

June 26th, 2009, 01:36 PM	#68
JoJoGunn Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: West Virginia Posts: 570	Let's all look at the circumstances, think the point is being missed. Dogs charging, not knowing intent, they don't talk much about it. Wait until it has 150 lbs of pressure on any of your bones before you do something? Or until it's "killing" you with kindness, by licking you? Why take chances? The whole point is the owner of said dog is a moron. He put the dog into that situation by not having it under control. THE OWNER IS AT FAULT!!! Should have pepper sprayed him AFTER peppering the dog. Which in my opinion, the OP had no choice but to defend himself from an unknown intent by the dogs. It's sad that the dogs had to go through that just because the owner is a tool. Given the same set of circumstances, I would have reacted likewise. The OP is 100% in the right. *rant off* __________________ "A Smith & Wesson *always* beats 4 aces!"

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June 26th, 2009, 12:16 PM	#65
xXxplosive Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Posts: 122	Way to go..............personally I'm sick and tired also of walking down the street in our town and having dogs leave their property in an agressive fashion either towards me or my wife when she walks our dog. We have had dogs for the last 30yrs. and never had one leave our unfenced property ever. We always know where they are. On the other hand our property is posted "Beware Of Dog" if you enter on our land expect to meet our dog......glad you used the mace maybe now the owner got the message and your not bit.