CCW friendly counties in NYS? - Page 2

MedPig · June 27th, 2009, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John OK

I don't think this is quite accurate. COBIS procedures are only in effect for new pistols. Since the pistols that he already owns would not be considered new, there is no requirement for the spent brass. (a.k.a. a collossal waste of taxpayers time and dollars seeing as not a single case has been convicted based on COBIS info.)

The reason I believe this to be true is that I have purchased used pistols on gunbroker before and have not been required to have the spent casing.

I could be wrong, but that is my understanding.

They DO realize people replace firing pins and extractors, right? Even polishing, or otherwise sanding down the back face od the chamber defeats the whole purpose. I'll assume lawmakers just sit around dreaming up new ways to screw with gun owners...

boscobeans · June 27th, 2009, 10:07 AM

COBIS interpretation can be vague. If you call an FFL dealer in NY you may be able to get a solid answer.

Q - Does this mean that guns received from out-of-state wholesalers aren't affected by this law because they're not received directly from a manufacturer?

No, for purposes of this section, the term "Manufacturer" includes any person, firm or corporation outside this state engaged in the business of supplying pistols or revolvers to licensed dealers in firearms in this state.

Q - Are gun manufacturers required to include a cartridge casing with every gun they ship to New York State after March 1, 2001?

On and after March 1, 2001, any manufacturer that ships, transports or delivers a pistol or revolver to New York State must include a cartridge casing of a bullet or projectile fired from the pistol or revolver in the container with the gun. This does not apply to rifles and shotguns, only to handguns. Failure to do so is punishable as a violation for a first offense and as a misdemeanor for subsequent offenses.

Nothing clear in the above about used or new ???

I would check into it if you do decide to make a move to NY.

bosco

Majorlk · June 27th, 2009, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MedPig

They DO realize people replace firing pins and extractors, right? Even polishing, or otherwise sanding down the back face od the chamber defeats the whole purpose. I'll assume lawmakers just sit around dreaming up new ways to screw with gun owners...

Every time this is brought up, the lawmakers generally respond with "criminals aren't that smart".

Neither are the lawmakers, IMHO.

Joe70 · June 27th, 2009, 11:29 AM

The law that requires a fired casing applies to NEW only. I purchased a used from gunbroker and there wasn't a case required.
The term 'Manufacturer' describes 'in the business of''.
New York is not a friendly gunowner state. The entire state is controlled by reps from NYC and Buffalo. You know the type, the extreme left and afraid of their citizens. The penal law re. firearms is set by the state, but the county judges have their own say. (they take this on their own as the state doesn't give them the authority.)

Joe

1911luver · June 27th, 2009, 12:17 PM

I haden't thought of the minimum residencey thing I thought I thought that the moment I was issued a NYS drivers I was then I was considered a resident of New York. I'll check out the suggeted website and also the websites for each counties pistol permit process,you guys have been a great help so far.

boscobeans · June 27th, 2009, 02:31 PM

You also have to think about people who will be your references. Some counties require them to be living in the same county. Most require that they live in at least the same area.

Again it depends on the county and the issuing agency for that county.
bosco

rottkeeper · June 27th, 2009, 02:38 PM

Montgomery county is one of the more ccw friendly counties that I know of. You will have a residency period and restrictions that the issuing judge usually removes at request after a year and a visit with him.

Sometimes the barrier is finding 4 people whom you know personally in a new place of residence to sign a character reference for you.

I believe you only need to provide a spent shell on a purchase of a new handgun.

Hope this info helps and good luck.

VTFatBa*d · June 28th, 2009, 01:15 PM

VTFatBa*d · June 28th, 2009, 01:15 PM

Only just slightly off topic, I may have to move to Long Island, Nassau county. What are my chances of getting a permit there, or does that count as NYC?

If I can't get a permit, what are the hoops I'll have to jump through to my guns into my house?

Rob

rottkeeper · June 28th, 2009, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTFatBa*d

Only just slightly off topic, I may have to move to Long Island, Nassau county. What are my chances of getting a permit there, or does that count as NYC?

If I can't get a permit, what are the hoops I'll have to jump through to my guns into my house?

Rob

The five boroughs and Nassau County off limits to CCW.

June 27th, 2009, 12:17 PM	#15
1911luver Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 768	I haden't thought of the minimum residencey thing I thought I thought that the moment I was issued a NYS drivers I was then I was considered a resident of New York. I'll check out the suggeted website and also the websites for each counties pistol permit process,you guys have been a great help so far. __________________ Snub nose revolvers,the original concealed carry guns.

June 27th, 2009, 02:38 PM	#17
rottkeeper VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,225	Montgomery county is one of the more ccw friendly counties that I know of. You will have a residency period and restrictions that the issuing judge usually removes at request after a year and a visit with him. Sometimes the barrier is finding 4 people whom you know personally in a new place of residence to sign a character reference for you. I believe you only need to provide a spent shell on a purchase of a new handgun. Hope this info helps and good luck. __________________ For as the lighting comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:27 NRA Member

June 28th, 2009, 01:15 PM	#18
VTFatBa*d Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vermont Posts: 70	oops __________________ Rob - The Vermont Fat Ba*d An armed criminal will kill an unarmed citizen with monotonous regularity. Trying to control crime with gun control laws is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

June 28th, 2009, 01:15 PM	#19
VTFatBa*d Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vermont Posts: 70	Only just slightly off topic, I may have to move to Long Island, Nassau county. What are my chances of getting a permit there, or does that count as NYC? If I can't get a permit, what are the hoops I'll have to jump through to my guns into my house? Rob __________________ Rob - The Vermont Fat Ba*d An armed criminal will kill an unarmed citizen with monotonous regularity. Trying to control crime with gun control laws is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

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June 27th, 2009, 10:07 AM	#12
boscobeans Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: upstate new york Posts: 714	COBIS interpretation can be vague. If you call an FFL dealer in NY you may be able to get a solid answer. Q - Does this mean that guns received from out-of-state wholesalers aren't affected by this law because they're not received directly from a manufacturer? No, for purposes of this section, the term "Manufacturer" includes any person, firm or corporation outside this state engaged in the business of supplying pistols or revolvers to licensed dealers in firearms in this state. Q - Are gun manufacturers required to include a cartridge casing with every gun they ship to New York State after March 1, 2001? On and after March 1, 2001, any manufacturer that ships, transports or delivers a pistol or revolver to New York State must include a cartridge casing of a bullet or projectile fired from the pistol or revolver in the container with the gun. This does not apply to rifles and shotguns, only to handguns. Failure to do so is punishable as a violation for a first offense and as a misdemeanor for subsequent offenses. Nothing clear in the above about used or new ??? I would check into it if you do decide to make a move to NY. bosco

June 27th, 2009, 11:29 AM	#14
Joe70 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ctrl. NY Posts: 84	The law that requires a fired casing applies to NEW only. I purchased a used from gunbroker and there wasn't a case required. The term 'Manufacturer' describes 'in the business of''. New York is not a friendly gunowner state. The entire state is controlled by reps from NYC and Buffalo. You know the type, the extreme left and afraid of their citizens. The penal law re. firearms is set by the state, but the county judges have their own say. (they take this on their own as the state doesn't give them the authority.) Joe

June 27th, 2009, 02:31 PM	#16
boscobeans Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: upstate new york Posts: 714	You also have to think about people who will be your references. Some counties require them to be living in the same county. Most require that they live in at least the same area. Again it depends on the county and the issuing agency for that county. bosco