DL checkpoint went sideways - for the other guy. - Page 3

PatrioticRick · July 3rd, 2009, 12:44 AM

Am I just naive, because I have never heard of a DL check, Oh wait, I live in a FREE State.

Captain Crunch · July 3rd, 2009, 01:33 AM

The Montana Highway Patrol has a Task Force that conducts compliance checks at various locations around the State. They always announce the checks to the media in advance, but they never divulge the location.

A check was conducted in my county yesterday. Troopers stopped every sixth vehicle (83 total) and issued 36 citations and warnings.

Highway compliance checks have been ruled constitutional by the Montana Supreme Court.

I've never been caught in one, but I wouldn't care if I was. My registration, insurance and DL are current, so I don't worry about it.

NCinstructor · July 3rd, 2009, 02:18 AM

lol at some of the responses in this thread.
<-- NC LEO

GWRedDragon · July 3rd, 2009, 03:04 AM

I was really annoyed the first time I was stopped at one of those checkpoints. All they did was ask if I had had anything to drink, but it felt like a big intrusion.

My mom disagreed with me, so she set me up on a ride-along for the next checkpoint.

Wow.

It was a seriously eye-opening experience. The number of drunk drivers that they caught that night was staggering. It made me not want to drive at all on weekend nights. I still can't believe there are so many people out there who have no qualms with the idea of risking everyone else's life for no particular reason.

The ratio of drunk drivers to sober ones was probably like 1/10.

The idea of it still bothers me, but for some reason I'd rather not be dead. It's not like they were asking if you owned guns, or whatever, it was more just "hey how's it going" and it was immediately obvious if someone was smashed. If not, they were on their way. If so, walk the line and get in the wagon.

Orygun2 · July 3rd, 2009, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by puncho

You probably want government health care too!

They have plenty of local drug dealers to screw with if they want someone to harass! Oh I forgot those guys shoot back, it's not as safe as screwing with the average law abiding citizen at a DL check!

Driving is a privilege, not some god given right. I can understand if you were drving on your own property and you were being harassed though.

As long as LEO is stopping everybody there isn't a problem. If they're stopping only blacks, mexicans etc then it becomes profiling.

mcp1810 · July 3rd, 2009, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wvshooter

I'm certainly no constitutional lawyer but these things have to be unconstitutional. I told a LEO that at a road check down in South Carolina. Of course they couldn't care less. Come on LEO's chime in. Our rights are being trampled in order to:

1. Stop drunks
2. Catch illegal aliens
3. What else?

These aren't "safety checks" or DL checks or anything else other than the illegal stopping of people on public byways without a hint of probable cause. Welcome to the new America where your rights have been flushed down the toilet.

1. Drunks, see MICHIGAN DEPT. OF STATE POLICE v. SITZ, 496 U.S. 444 (1990)
2. Illegal aliens see UNITED STATES v. MARTINEZ-FUERTE, 428 U.S. 543 (1976)
3. Vehicle registration and drivers license see DELAWARE v. PROUSE, 440 U.S. 648 (1979)

GWRedDragon · July 3rd, 2009, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orygun2

Driving is a privilege, not some god given right.

This is buying into the propaganda. They want you to think this, thus they repeat it over and over to everyone in high school.

In reality, you have the right to do anything you want as long as you do not endanger others. The government cannot arbitrarily decide who can drive and who can't, by right. What they CAN do is prevent people from repeatedly endangering others...and this is exactly what the law does with respect to driver's licenses. If someone shows they are unsafe, they are taken off the road for the protection of others, not for any other reason.

We do not live in a country where every action you take, you can only take by the good graces of some bureaucrat.

Orygun2 · July 3rd, 2009, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWRedDragon

This is buying into the propaganda. They want you to think this, thus they repeat it over and over to everyone in high school.

In reality, you have the right to do anything you want as long as you do not endanger others. The government cannot arbitrarily decide who can drive and who can't, by right. What they CAN do is prevent people from repeatedly endangering others...and this is exactly what the law does with respect to driver's licenses. If someone shows they are unsafe, they are taken off the road for the protection of others, not for any other reason.

We do not live in a country where every action you take, you can only take by the good graces of some bureaucrat.

That's true to a point, but again, the right to drive is not in the Constitution. As such they can set any arbitrary rule they want. Ridculously low speed limits, speed traps, red light cameras, use of seatbelts, driving with insurance and not driving drunk to name just a few.

Do I agree with all of them? No, but the roads I operate my car on do not belong solely to me so I agree to the rules so I may use the roads.

The checkpoints are a pain in the azz, but someone you know or love may be alive today because one of those morons was taken off the road one night.

usmc3169 · July 3rd, 2009, 05:59 AM

never seen a DL check point... even in KALIFORNIA!!!!... except on a military base one time.

GWRedDragon · July 3rd, 2009, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orygun2

That's true to a point, but again, the right to drive is not in the Constitution. As such they can set any arbitrary rule they want.

Amendment 9:

Quote:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

July 3rd, 2009, 12:44 AM	#21
PatrioticRick VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rigby, Idaho Posts: 4,654	Am I just naive, because I have never heard of a DL check, Oh wait, I live in a FREE State. __________________ Μολὼν λαβέ USN/USAF Retired/Desert Shield/Desert Storm DAV Life Member NRA Life Member

July 3rd, 2009, 01:33 AM	#22
Captain Crunch 1943 - 2009 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montana Posts: 10,408	The Montana Highway Patrol has a Task Force that conducts compliance checks at various locations around the State. They always announce the checks to the media in advance, but they never divulge the location. A check was conducted in my county yesterday. Troopers stopped every sixth vehicle (83 total) and issued 36 citations and warnings. Highway compliance checks have been ruled constitutional by the Montana Supreme Court. I've never been caught in one, but I wouldn't care if I was. My registration, insurance and DL are current, so I don't worry about it. __________________ When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, And go to your God like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling Terry

July 3rd, 2009, 02:18 AM	#23
NCinstructor Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 32	lol at some of the responses in this thread. <-- NC LEO __________________ \| Glock 21 \| Glock 30 \| Mossberg 930 SPX \| \| NRA Instructor \| NC CCH Instructor \|

July 3rd, 2009, 03:04 AM	#24
GWRedDragon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,155	I was really annoyed the first time I was stopped at one of those checkpoints. All they did was ask if I had had anything to drink, but it felt like a big intrusion. My mom disagreed with me, so she set me up on a ride-along for the next checkpoint. Wow. It was a seriously eye-opening experience. The number of drunk drivers that they caught that night was staggering. It made me not want to drive at all on weekend nights. I still can't believe there are so many people out there who have no qualms with the idea of risking everyone else's life for no particular reason. The ratio of drunk drivers to sober ones was probably like 1/10. The idea of it still bothers me, but for some reason I'd rather not be dead. It's not like they were asking if you owned guns, or whatever, it was more just "hey how's it going" and it was immediately obvious if someone was smashed. If not, they were on their way. If so, walk the line and get in the wagon. __________________ "Trust in God with hand on sword" -Inscription on my family's coat of arms from medieval England

July 3rd, 2009, 05:59 AM	#29
usmc3169 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 485	never seen a DL check point... even in KALIFORNIA!!!!... except on a military base one time. __________________ S&W M&P340CT, Glock 22, Springfield XDm, SIG Sauer P229 Elite "For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know". Unknown Marine, Khe Sanh

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