DL checkpoint went sideways - for the other guy. - Page 6

Majorlk · July 3rd, 2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SleepingZ

Really, no really??? Fine, lets say you just came from church, and happen to have communion that day.

The amount of alcohol in a thimbleful of communion wine isn't enough to show up on a breathalyzer. :)

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I have very very little respect for "zero" tolerance policies.
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To each his own; I have zero tolerance for drinking drivers. I've had to deal with the grief of families who had member killed by a drinking driver too many times.

GWRedDragon · July 3rd, 2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

There is never any justification for driving and drinking.

If the penalty for such conduct was severe enough - and enforced - the DUI/DWI rate would plummet.

I'm not saying there's a justification. I'm saying that having a serious penalty does not mean that you have to go all the way. People change over time. Having the death penalty for shoplifting would also be a great deterrent, but it would deny the fact that shoplifters may in a few years become good citizens.

Brady · July 3rd, 2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerbouchard

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

So, are you Ok with letting drunks and uninsured drivers go unrestrained? Hopefully none will nail you or your family member(s). There has to be some sort of law or there will be chaos.

Matthew 22:17
Mark 12:17
Luke 20:25
Romans 13:1-6
1Peter 2:13-17

Oldskoolfan · July 3rd, 2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mcp1810

But there are many means of transportation that do not require a drivers license. You are free to walk anywhere you wish so long as you are not trespassing. You can ride your bicycle, take a train, ride a horse, take a bus, or fly. Any one of these can get you where you want to go and do not require you to have a drivers license. So requiring an operators license to drive a motor vehicle on government owned and maintained roadway does not deny you your freedom to travel.
Also, you do not have any right to happiness in this country. You certainly have a right to pursue your happiness (within the law)but nowhere is it guaranteed you will achieve it.

ETA: If you look at the clarification part on the page from that first link you will see that the poster even states there is a clear legal distinction between "drive" and "travel".

Try flying without a pilots license and see how far that gets you.

I never said that you are guaranteed happiness, but that if the government decides to restrict you they can impede happiness. I am sorry but just because the Constitution or Bill of RIghts does not make mention of the right does not mean it is non-existent.

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

You need to re-read the Declaration of Independence. It says "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"

There in no mention anywhere of a right to be happy. :)

You are correct it was a misprint on my part. However if the government does deny their ability to travel it could be taken as an infringement.

mcp1810 · July 3rd, 2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan

Try flying without a pilots license and see how far that gets you.

I never said that you are guaranteed happiness, but that if the government decides to restrict you they can impede happiness. I am sorry but just because the Constitution or Bill of RIghts does not make mention of the right does not mean it is non-existent.

I flew about fifteen thousand miles last year without a pilots license. Only the pilot needs a pilots license, us passengers just need a ticket.

And of course there are Rights that are not mentioned in the Constitiution. That is specifically addressed by the Ninth Amendment. But just because we want something does not make it a Right. Yes, we have a Right to travel, but we do not have a Right to operate a motor vehicle on a public road. The courts at all levels have been quite plain on that issue.

Tiny85 · July 5th, 2009, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

There is never any justification for driving and drinking.

If the penalty for such conduct was severe enough - and enforced - the DUI/DWI rate would plummet.

actually the rate would stay the same we would just add more unlic and uninsured drivers to the road. The only people who would never drive again after one mistake would be the people we wouldn't really have to worry about anyway. Unless by severe you mean the death penalty.

Red82 · July 5th, 2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GWRedDragon

I know, all I'm saying is that the license requirement is only valid insofar as it relates to safe operation, and safe operation only. And, in most cases, it does.

I just wouldn't like people losing their license due to something unrelated to driving in an unsafe manner.

What about now in the state of Virginia if you have 10 un excused absences in high school you have your driver's license suspended? I guess they can get away with that more cause most are minors. Just some fuel for discussion.

GWRedDragon · July 5th, 2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Red82

What about now in the state of Virginia if you have 10 un excused absences in high school you have your driver's license suspended? I guess they can get away with that more cause most are minors. Just some fuel for discussion.

Never heard of that. I have seen the stickers on gas pumps that say "No pay, no license".

Either way I don't think it's a good idea. If someone repeatedly steals gasoline, give them a week in jail or something. I bet that would be enough of a deterrent.

Minors...well, I don't like the idea of mandatory school attendance anyway, but forgetting that, I'd still say it's a bad idea. The fact that we are talking about minors, though, does make it different.

Oldskoolfan · July 5th, 2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brady

So, are you Ok with letting drunks and uninsured drivers go unrestrained? Hopefully none will nail you or your family member(s). There has to be some sort of law or there will be chaos.

Matthew 22:17
Mark 12:17
Luke 20:25
Romans 13:1-6
1Peter 2:13-17

Do we really want to quote Bible verses here? The Bible says you cannot do anything on Sundays and that it is a sin to eat shellfish? Do we really need this book to give us advice?

Riccur · July 5th, 2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan

Do we really want to quote Bible verses here? The Bible says you cannot do anything on Sundays and that it is a sin to eat shellfish? Do we really need this book to give us advice?

Do not think you fully understand what you are referencing, neither statement is true. Would love to help you out in a different post.

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