DL checkpoint went sideways - for the other guy. - Page 7

Brady · July 6th, 2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan

Do we really want to quote Bible verses here?

"we". Probably not.

Me, yes I do.

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The Bible says you cannot do anything on Sundays and that it is a sin to eat shellfish?

You're kidding right?

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Do we really need this book to give us advice?

The Bible is more than just advise. It is a commandment. It has instructions, prohibitions and examples for either path you choose. I strive to use it for my guide through this life daily. The world would be a much better place if more people read it daily... and acted on it.
But I'm also a realist.

Oldskoolfan · July 7th, 2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brady

"we". Probably not.

Me, yes I do.

You're kidding right?

The Bible is more than just advise. It is a commandment. It has instructions, prohibitions and examples for either path you choose. I strive to use it for my guide through this life daily. The world would be a much better place if more people read it daily... and acted on it.
But I'm also a realist.

It does say those things. So perhaps it is a little outdated. Either way we are going to have to agree to disagree.

The fact that something is not enumerated in the Bill of Rights does not mean it is not a right.

Brady · July 7th, 2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan

It does say those things. So perhaps it is a little outdated. Either way we are going to have to agree to disagree...

just have to be careful of the context you find it in.
Fair enough, we'll just disagree.

M203Sniper · July 9th, 2009, 07:20 AM

If you don't get a queasy feeling from these checkpoints you have either got a badge or your a sheep.

I drive through them all the time here in S. Arizona, mostly I don't worry because I am here legally - but - if the cars at the check are blue not the usual green, I turn around.

Majorlk · July 9th, 2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by M203Sniper

If you don't get a queasy feeling from these checkpoints you have either got a badge or your a sheep.

I am neither, but I have never had a problem with DL checks.

I do have a problem with drunk/drinking/stoned drivers, unlicensed drivers, people that drive like they are the only ones on the road.

And then there are the illegal aliens - I mean undocumented workers ... :)

bnabors · July 9th, 2009, 06:06 PM

We see these check points around here fairly often. The area that the seem to concentrate on has several bars within a few miles of each other and a major road connecting them all so I can see why they have these here. Here in OK we are supposed to notify if carrying. The last incindent aside, I have been stopped at one more of these check points while carrying and the two OHP Officers were obviously gun friendly. As soon as I handed them my permit, they asked what I was carrying instead of where it was at, and then proceeded to tell me the best gun store to try for the gun I had been thinking about buying.

M203Sniper · July 10th, 2009, 06:06 AM

I have no problem with a policeman looking for probable cause outside of a bar. Of course people who are a danger need to get got off the road. A fixed checkpoint where they check EVERYONE I have a problem with - where's the probable cause - where's the reason for the stop ?

Majorlk · July 10th, 2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by M203Sniper

I have no problem with a policeman looking for probable cause outside of a bar. Of course people who are a danger need to get got off the road. A fixed checkpoint where they check EVERYONE I have a problem with - where's the probable cause - where's the reason for the stop ?

In most states, if you are checking everyone for a valid DL and/or sobriety, there is no need for further probable cause. I'm not saying it's right or wrong; just that it is what it is.

BushidoMarine · July 10th, 2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tiwee

One time driving with any alcohol in your system in Japan resulted in lifetime loss of driving privilege.

Just FYI, this is not correct. This page of the Tokyo Police Department lists the penalties for driving under the influence/intoxicated. The penalty is graduated by the level of intoxication/alcohol they find in your system. The penalities and the levels that they consider to be impairment/intoxication are MUCH stricter than the U.S!

From the site:
酒酔い運転 5年以下の懲役又は100万円以下の罰金
酒気帯び運転 3年以下の懲役又は50万円以下の罰金

This says:

"DWI: Up to 5 years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine.
DUI: Up to 3 years in prison and up to a $5,000 fine."

They really lectured us on the new increased penalities when I renewed my Japanese DL last year. There *is* a lifetime suspension that can be levied for repeat offenders/fatal accidents; it is not the standard penalty for a "mere" DUI.

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Originally Posted by tiwee

Worked with a couple of guys in that situation. Japan probably has very few if any alcohol related driving issues.

If they were military, this may have been a suspension of their SOFA and/or on-base driving status. The would have to be repeat offenders of have caused a serious/fatal accident to get a lifetime suspension under Japanese law.

Sadly there are STILL idiots that get boozed up and injure/kill people. The ones the usually make the news here are when the drunk driver is a Japanese POLICE officer...!

July 9th, 2009, 07:20 AM	#64
M203Sniper Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 159	If you don't get a queasy feeling from these checkpoints you have either got a badge or your a sheep. I drive through them all the time here in S. Arizona, mostly I don't worry because I am here legally - but - if the cars at the check are blue not the usual green, I turn around. __________________ "Words can be as lethal as bullets; Choose them carefully, Aim them well & Use them sparingly."

July 10th, 2009, 06:06 AM	#67
M203Sniper Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 159	I have no problem with a policeman looking for probable cause outside of a bar. Of course people who are a danger need to get got off the road. A fixed checkpoint where they check EVERYONE I have a problem with - where's the probable cause - where's the reason for the stop ? __________________ "Words can be as lethal as bullets; Choose them carefully, Aim them well & Use them sparingly."

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July 9th, 2009, 06:06 PM	#66
bnabors New Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4	We see these check points around here fairly often. The area that the seem to concentrate on has several bars within a few miles of each other and a major road connecting them all so I can see why they have these here. Here in OK we are supposed to notify if carrying. The last incindent aside, I have been stopped at one more of these check points while carrying and the two OHP Officers were obviously gun friendly. As soon as I handed them my permit, they asked what I was carrying instead of where it was at, and then proceeded to tell me the best gun store to try for the gun I had been thinking about buying.