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Oldskoolfan · July 5th, 2009, 10:23 PM

But seriously what is wrong with asking your boss if you can carry a loaded firearm at work? It is our right and we should not be ashamed as it is perfectly normal, right?

If they say that you are unable to, well why would we want to work for an anti-gun corporation?

GWRedDragon · July 5th, 2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan

But seriously what is wrong with asking your boss if you can carry a loaded firearm at work? It is our right and we should not be ashamed as it is perfectly normal, right?

If they say that you are unable to, well why would we want to work for an anti-gun corporation?

It is not something we should be ashamed of, but I can tell you right now chances are you will not like the answer. Businesses are primarily concerned with liability, and by saying yes they are opening themselves up to lawsuits.

If I owned a business and someone asked me, my response would be "We have no rules about concealed carry".

Don't ask, don't tell is for everyone's protection.

Oldskoolfan · July 6th, 2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GWRedDragon

It is not something we should be ashamed of, but I can tell you right now chances are you will not like the answer. Businesses are primarily concerned with liability, and by saying yes they are opening themselves up to lawsuits.

If I owned a business and someone asked me, my response would be "We have no rules about concealed carry".

Don't ask, don't tell is for everyone's protection.

Well you are not going to go crazy and shoot up the place, so what is the concern about them knowing? As long as you are legally allowed to carry, with a permit or whatnot, then what is the big deal? What liability are they opening up to?

Don't ask don't tell can get you in trouble if you are caught, right? Especially if they have a no weapons clause in the handbook. You are given notice via the handbook.

GWRedDragon · July 6th, 2009, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan

Don't ask don't tell can get you in trouble if you are caught, right?

Probably not if there is no rule against it, but just to be safe even if there weren't I'd still try my best not to be 'outed'.

As for liability, THEY don't know you're not going to go crazy. From their perspective, if you do and they told you you could carry, that leaves them open to a lawsuit.

mathewsman · July 6th, 2009, 06:00 AM

i am looking for a job and the requirement is a cpl

akhimark · July 6th, 2009, 08:29 AM

Go into business for your self and set your own rules!

Billy Ng · July 6th, 2009, 03:48 PM

Oldskoolfan, what part of the country do you live in? Where I live/work, if I ask, I'll be shown the door within a week (that's how long it'll take them to lawyer up to make sure they fire me correctly and make sure that either police or armed security escort me out of the building).

Hell, back in 2000 I was working for a mid-size Dot-Com when the bubble burst, I was laid off with 400 other people that day. My boss had known from overhearing conversations between me and another employee that I had recently taken up the hobby of handgun shooting (I lived in Jersey where CCW is non-existent and worked in NYC where CCW is for all practical purposes, non-existent).

The day we were all let go, everyone was allowed to go home and return to the office once with a vehicle or friend to help take-home all their belongings. All except one. This employee was shadowed by two large security guards from the second he left the conference room where he was fired and was told that he was to pack everything he couldn't carry in Fedex boxes and they would be shipped to his home. It was explained to him in extremely clear terms that he was never allowed back in the building and trespassing charges would be filed if he attempted to do so.

Keep in mind that this employee was the 87th employee of the company (which at time of layoff had grown to almost 2000), provided training for many of the support and sales staff, had no enemies, had a weekly game of chess with the CTO, and was on a first name basis with the CEO/Owner, the President, and the COO.

Yep, it was the gun guy.

At least two of my current bosses know that I shoot, but I only breached that wall because there's another guy here who shoots as well and he already broke that ice. Both of us have our CCW permit, and although neither of us have ever actually checked the handbook, neither of us will even attempt to bring an unloaded firearm here and leave it in the car ... if anyone was to see it, or know about it, I'd be out of job in no time. Guns are an "evil" thing in this part of the country. Those that don't have them think that those of us who do have them are psychopaths that are two paychecks away from snapping and pulling another Columbine.

The last time I got pulled over not too far from home the officer saw unused range targets through the window in the back of my Forester, asked me if I was a LEO, and when I said "No" he unholstered his gun and asked me to step out of the car slowly. I had to wait on the side of the road while he called in to find out if I was doing anything illegal.

It took me 13 months just to get my permit to have handguns I'd already owned for YEARS (bought them back when I lived in NJ, waiting 13 months for the "transfer" to New York state to go through). It took me almost 2 months to put together the character references, notorized signatures, fingerprint cards, photos, and multiple forms necessary to even APPLY for the permit that took 13 months to get.

Constitutional right - yes.
Common in my neck of the woods - no.

Asking up front during an interview is akin to asking the interviewer if raping the receptionist who greeted you when you arrived is okay or not.

Oldskoolfan · July 6th, 2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Ng

Oldskoolfan, what part of the country do you live in? Where I live/work, if I ask, I'll be shown the door within a week (that's how long it'll take them to lawyer up to make sure they fire me correctly and make sure that either police or armed security escort me out of the building).

Hell, back in 2000 I was working for a mid-size Dot-Com when the bubble burst, I was laid off with 400 other people that day. My boss had known from overhearing conversations between me and another employee that I had recently taken up the hobby of handgun shooting (I lived in Jersey where CCW is non-existent and worked in NYC where CCW is for all practical purposes, non-existent).

The day we were all let go, everyone was allowed to go home and return to the office once with a vehicle or friend to help take-home all their belongings. All except one. This employee was shadowed by two large security guards from the second he left the conference room where he was fired and was told that he was to pack everything he couldn't carry in Fedex boxes and they would be shipped to his home. It was explained to him in extremely clear terms that he was never allowed back in the building and trespassing charges would be filed if he attempted to do so.

Keep in mind that this employee was the 87th employee of the company (which at time of layoff had grown to almost 2000), provided training for many of the support and sales staff, had no enemies, had a weekly game of chess with the CTO, and was on a first name basis with the CEO/Owner, the President, and the COO.

Yep, it was the gun guy.

At least two of my current bosses know that I shoot, but I only breached that wall because there's another guy here who shoots as well and he already broke that ice. Both of us have our CCW permit, and although neither of us have ever actually checked the handbook, neither of us will even attempt to bring an unloaded firearm here and leave it in the car ... if anyone was to see it, or know about it, I'd be out of job in no time. Guns are an "evil" thing in this part of the country. Those that don't have them think that those of us who do have them are psychopaths that are two paychecks away from snapping and pulling another Columbine.

The last time I got pulled over not too far from home the officer saw unused range targets through the window in the back of my Forester, asked me if I was a LEO, and when I said "No" he unholstered his gun and asked me to step out of the car slowly. I had to wait on the side of the road while he called in to find out if I was doing anything illegal.

It took me 13 months just to get my permit to have handguns I'd already owned for YEARS (bought them back when I lived in NJ, waiting 13 months for the "transfer" to New York state to go through). It took me almost 2 months to put together the character references, notorized signatures, fingerprint cards, photos, and multiple forms necessary to even APPLY for the permit that took 13 months to get.

Constitutional right - yes.
Common in my neck of the woods - no.

Asking up front during an interview is akin to asking the interviewer if raping the receptionist who greeted you when you arrived is okay or not.

So because it is uncommon we should not ask? What does your expeirence prove? If they say no that you cannot carry then move onto a new job. You would not compromise your safety for a corporate job, would you?

And asking about carrying is not asking if you can rape the secretary. Sorry but that is sick and not the same. Us CCWers are good folks who have trained to use a firearm responsibly and we have passed background checks, so this is not asking if we can break the law and violate someones rights.

Billy Ng · July 6th, 2009, 06:49 PM

I work in the financial industry, there is no such thing as a gun-friendly company in this industry. I doubt you would find any decently sized company anywhere in this state that would not fire you for even asking if you could carry concealed.

My point about the receptionist was that asking either question would ellicit the same response - a nice view of the door.

SamRudolph · July 6th, 2009, 06:51 PM

What I'd give to be in a position where I can pick among job offers and choose the one that lets me carry at work.

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July 6th, 2009, 06:00 AM	#45
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July 6th, 2009, 03:48 PM	#47
Billy Ng Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Hartsdale, NY Posts: 71	Oldskoolfan, what part of the country do you live in? Where I live/work, if I ask, I'll be shown the door within a week (that's how long it'll take them to lawyer up to make sure they fire me correctly and make sure that either police or armed security escort me out of the building). Hell, back in 2000 I was working for a mid-size Dot-Com when the bubble burst, I was laid off with 400 other people that day. My boss had known from overhearing conversations between me and another employee that I had recently taken up the hobby of handgun shooting (I lived in Jersey where CCW is non-existent and worked in NYC where CCW is for all practical purposes, non-existent). The day we were all let go, everyone was allowed to go home and return to the office once with a vehicle or friend to help take-home all their belongings. All except one. This employee was shadowed by two large security guards from the second he left the conference room where he was fired and was told that he was to pack everything he couldn't carry in Fedex boxes and they would be shipped to his home. It was explained to him in extremely clear terms that he was never allowed back in the building and trespassing charges would be filed if he attempted to do so. Keep in mind that this employee was the 87th employee of the company (which at time of layoff had grown to almost 2000), provided training for many of the support and sales staff, had no enemies, had a weekly game of chess with the CTO, and was on a first name basis with the CEO/Owner, the President, and the COO. Yep, it was the gun guy. At least two of my current bosses know that I shoot, but I only breached that wall because there's another guy here who shoots as well and he already broke that ice. Both of us have our CCW permit, and although neither of us have ever actually checked the handbook, neither of us will even attempt to bring an unloaded firearm here and leave it in the car ... if anyone was to see it, or know about it, I'd be out of job in no time. Guns are an "evil" thing in this part of the country. Those that don't have them think that those of us who do have them are psychopaths that are two paychecks away from snapping and pulling another Columbine. The last time I got pulled over not too far from home the officer saw unused range targets through the window in the back of my Forester, asked me if I was a LEO, and when I said "No" he unholstered his gun and asked me to step out of the car slowly. I had to wait on the side of the road while he called in to find out if I was doing anything illegal. It took me 13 months just to get my permit to have handguns I'd already owned for YEARS (bought them back when I lived in NJ, waiting 13 months for the "transfer" to New York state to go through). It took me almost 2 months to put together the character references, notorized signatures, fingerprint cards, photos, and multiple forms necessary to even APPLY for the permit that took 13 months to get. Constitutional right - yes. Common in my neck of the woods - no. Asking up front during an interview is akin to asking the interviewer if raping the receptionist who greeted you when you arrived is okay or not. __________________ Billy Ng Fusion Tact-5 in a Pure Kustom Black-Ops Pro Glock 23 in a Barber Leatherworks IWB

July 6th, 2009, 06:49 PM	#49
Billy Ng Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Hartsdale, NY Posts: 71	I work in the financial industry, there is no such thing as a gun-friendly company in this industry. I doubt you would find any decently sized company anywhere in this state that would not fire you for even asking if you could carry concealed. My point about the receptionist was that asking either question would ellicit the same response - a nice view of the door. __________________ Billy Ng Fusion Tact-5 in a Pure Kustom Black-Ops Pro Glock 23 in a Barber Leatherworks IWB

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July 5th, 2009, 10:23 PM	#41
Oldskoolfan Ex Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In a secured zone. Posts: 467	But seriously what is wrong with asking your boss if you can carry a loaded firearm at work? It is our right and we should not be ashamed as it is perfectly normal, right? If they say that you are unable to, well why would we want to work for an anti-gun corporation?

July 6th, 2009, 08:29 AM	#46
akhimark Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: York, SC Posts: 81	Go into business for your self and set your own rules!

July 6th, 2009, 06:51 PM	#50
SamRudolph Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 105	What I'd give to be in a position where I can pick among job offers and choose the one that lets me carry at work.