Do You Feel Safe In Your House of Worship? - Page 4

jumpwing · October 13th, 2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by searcher 45

It seems strange to preach while CC.

Just an observation: That comment indicates to me that you haven't fully resolved the issue in your heart. If I'm wrong, and you're just referring to a little residual "weirdness" then please disregard. Otherwise, make sure you clear up any "iffy" feelings asap. Sooner or later, no matter how inconspicuous you are, you're going to have to defend your choice in a conversation with someone who may or may not be familiar with scripture--or worse, may know just enough to have opinions stronger than his education.

Rcher · October 13th, 2009, 03:20 PM

In Utah, Churches are one of the few no gun zones by law. I have an easy solution to this. If I cant carry, I dont go. Problem solved. I dont have to go to church to talk to God, he's a good listener no matter where I am.

njeske · October 13th, 2009, 03:28 PM

with all the people in my church that carry, including my wife and me, i feel pretty safe at our church.

Thumper · October 13th, 2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gunthorp

he he At least you'll be in the company of lots of LEO's

Let's see... a lot of guys with guns getting a sugar rush from syrup, followed by an equal and opposite low.... hummm, can I change my answer?

jjkjr · October 13th, 2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorPack

You should come visit us, we've rarely been accused of being ORGANIZED.

i liked that one......

BikerRN · October 13th, 2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

Considering the various discussions on carrying in church, this is an interesting poll of the general public:

Do You Feel Safe At Your House of Worship? - FOXNews.com

Be sure to read the comments section; some are very interesting, some are typical knee-jerk anti-gun and some are head-in-the-sand.

I don't feel 100% "safe" anywhere.

That's probably a by-product of all I've seen and expirienced, as well as learned about from others. I try not to make the mistakes that others have made, thus shortening my learning curve.

If one studies history they will see that bad things can happen to good people in the nicest of places. That tells me, a student of life that wants to continue being a student, to prepare the the worst possible likely scenario. If I can handle that, then anything else is easy.

Yes, I carry a BUG and reloads off duty. I can also often be found with longarms in the truck. I can envision likely scenarios for me where having such things could be realistic.

Biker

Ron · October 13th, 2009, 10:31 PM

I carry, but it does not make me feel very safe. I have envisioned the scenario of some lunatic coming into the sanctuary during services and starting to shoot.

There likely would be panic with people running all over the place. I can't imagine the congregants who are armed just starting to fire at the BG or guys, without risking hitting other congregants.

To me, this is one of those nightmare situations, which is not likely to have a good ending without a lot of luck coming into play.

basher052 · October 13th, 2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

I carry, but it does not make me feel very safe. I have envisioned the scenario of some lunatic coming into the sanctuary during services and starting to shoot.

There likely would be panic with people running all over the place. I can't imagine the congregants who are armed just starting to fire at the BG or guys, without risking hitting other congregants.

To me, this is one of those nightmare situations, which is not likely to have a good ending without a lot of luck coming into play.

+1......very well stated.

CJ810 · October 13th, 2009, 11:45 PM

Every church needs to have a plan for this now.

In the late 90s when the church shooting here in Texas happened (one of the victims was my cousins' former youth pastor), a police officer in our church in CA (My dad was the pastor, I was the Intern) let my dad know that he carried to church always. There was a window at the back of the sanctuary that conveniantly gave the pulpit a view of the front doors. The one time someone odd came in, Dad interrupted what he was saying to request that the ushers assist the man in the lobby. It was a very small church in a very bad neighborhood (well maybe not very bad, certainly not good, not Compton, but not Belaire, either.). A lunatic had once entered during the service and stormed the pulpit and began to make a speech. He made it to the pulpit because the church was in the middle of prayer time and everyone was broken off in groups. He was tackled and tied up for the police. At the time I first heard of it the response seemed a little overboard. Today not so much.

I think every church should have someone in the lobby / each lobby if more than one discretely assessing people who come in, particularly after the service has started. From a spiritual standpoint it's got to be very discrete because you can't exactly frisk visitors.

Is there such a thing as a hidden metal detector that would quietly alert security if someone who wasn't supposed to carried through the front doors? It would obviously create a problem for legitimate ccw carriers though.

tbrenke · October 13th, 2009, 11:49 PM

I feel safer at church, because I have my .40 with me every day, even at church. I know of one other that also carries.

October 13th, 2009, 03:20 PM	#32
Rcher Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Montana (resident) Utah (currently) Posts: 1,092	In Utah, Churches are one of the few no gun zones by law. I have an easy solution to this. If I cant carry, I dont go. Problem solved. I dont have to go to church to talk to God, he's a good listener no matter where I am. __________________ >>----> Keep it Concealed: *"The Element of Surprise is Far Superior than the Target of Fate".*

October 13th, 2009, 03:28 PM	#33
njeske Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 327	with all the people in my church that carry, including my wife and me, i feel pretty safe at our church. __________________ Nevada Gun Owners Forum

October 13th, 2009, 10:31 PM	#37
Ron Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,527	I carry, but it does not make me feel very safe. I have envisioned the scenario of some lunatic coming into the sanctuary during services and starting to shoot. There likely would be panic with people running all over the place. I can't imagine the congregants who are armed just starting to fire at the BG or guys, without risking hitting other congregants. To me, this is one of those nightmare situations, which is not likely to have a good ending without a lot of luck coming into play. __________________ "It does not do to leave a dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." J. R. R. Tolkien

October 13th, 2009, 11:49 PM	#40
tbrenke Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arlington, WA Posts: 542	I feel safer at church, because I have my .40 with me every day, even at church. I know of one other that also carries. __________________ "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -1792, James Madison There are always too many Democratic, Republican and never enough U.S. congressmen. Last edited by QKShooter; October 24th, 2009 at 08:14 PM.. Reason: minor deletion to keep thread on topic - cleanup

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October 13th, 2009, 11:45 PM	#39
CJ810 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 200	Every church needs to have a plan for this now. In the late 90s when the church shooting here in Texas happened (one of the victims was my cousins' former youth pastor), a police officer in our church in CA (My dad was the pastor, I was the Intern) let my dad know that he carried to church always. There was a window at the back of the sanctuary that conveniantly gave the pulpit a view of the front doors. The one time someone odd came in, Dad interrupted what he was saying to request that the ushers assist the man in the lobby. It was a very small church in a very bad neighborhood (well maybe not very bad, certainly not good, not Compton, but not Belaire, either.). A lunatic had once entered during the service and stormed the pulpit and began to make a speech. He made it to the pulpit because the church was in the middle of prayer time and everyone was broken off in groups. He was tackled and tied up for the police. At the time I first heard of it the response seemed a little overboard. Today not so much. I think every church should have someone in the lobby / each lobby if more than one discretely assessing people who come in, particularly after the service has started. From a spiritual standpoint it's got to be very discrete because you can't exactly frisk visitors. Is there such a thing as a hidden metal detector that would quietly alert security if someone who wasn't supposed to carried through the front doors? It would obviously create a problem for legitimate ccw carriers though.