Stranger45

Thanks Mitchell, I was told/read that they couldn’t use it against you, but you know how some people know it all.

I wish some people would just shut up, talking to the Police or not.

Thanks again.

MitchellCT

Didn't I say I drink QUALITY.

QUALITY.

As in:

Ammo = Gold Dot/Ranger T/Black Hills/HST

Whiskey of the same quality only.

10thmtn

Every expert on this matter who I have read advises that, should you be involved in a defensive encounter, you should be the first person to call 9-1-1.

Since every call to 9-1-1 dispatch is recorded, and can later be used in court, you are (in effect) talking to the police anyway.

For those who wish to follow Masaad Ayoob’s advice, but who feel uncomfortable carrying a piece of paper to jog your memory, I offer the following mnemonic device:

ACE SAW

A – Attack – “That man attacked me, I was in fear for my life.”
C – Criminal Complaint – “I will sign a criminal complaint.”
E – Evidence – “The evidence is there.”

S – Searches – “I do not consent to any searches.”
A – Attorney – “I do not wish to make any further statements until I have contacted an attorney.”
W – Witnesses – “The witnesses are over there.”

I hope some find this helpful.

If you have an issue with this advice, take it up with Masaad - it's his advice, not mine...though I happen to agree with it.

As far as the (lack) of civility on this thread - it is simply inexcusable - I don't care how brilliant some of the legal minds here think they are.

Don't let this apply to you - Who you are is speaking so loudly, I can't hear what you are saying.

What you say isn't half as important as how you say it.

I hope this is taken in the positive spirit in which it was intended...but I won't hold my breath.

I'm done with this thread...carry on.

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MitchellCT

Weren't you done with this thread a while ago?

Guess not.

Ah well.

Your advice works great, provided it's a simple, clean encounter with minimal complications.

It starts to fall apart when you add chaos, confusion, injury and all the other factors of real life come in.

For example...a witness sees he end of the encounter, were you run a burst up the guy's chest into his face...but didn't see the begining when he and his pal (who is laying on the ground with a crushed throat courtesy of your textbook perfect uppercut) grabbed you and tried to take your keys and force you into the car so they could take your money, car & life...

You point out a witness...

Great.

OK.

Many times witnesses either a) didn't see nothing & know less, b) saw, but don't want to get involved, or c) saw "the whole thing" and will tell the police the truth about what they saw...

Even if it isn't what actually occured.

Congrats.

You turned a case were it could have been your story about how you were assaulted by homeys Alpha & Bravo into a double homicide with a witness stating how he saw you ice that kid who was holding his hands up (his hands were up because you eye-jabbed him, then elbowed his nose, and his hands were holding his face after you pushed him away to get space to draw)

Nothing you need to say can't wait an hour or four till a lawyer gets to you and starts doing damage control.

You don't have an attorney who will come to you in the event of an emergency...

Guess you aught to do some research NOW before you are looking for one on the fly.

gunthorp

You're all probably familiar with these two cases of too much cooperation, and the reverse. I think in the latter case the F troop got a bit vindictive.

Prosecution as Punishment: The Troubling Case of Albert Kwan

Quality=Cor Bon DPX also IMHO

http://gunthorp.com/ammo%20basics.htm#DPX

ps: Lets just have fun. Can't we all just get along? Nothing personal, educational.

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MitchellCT

All the more reason to retain counsel instead of going it alone.

hogdaddy

I hope I'm never in that position, but if I am it would go something like
this,#1) Call 911#2)Call Brother He would get me a lawyer(FOP)
#3)Statement not going to happen till Brother or lawyer show
#4 Go home (if possible) clear my head Take it from there

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paramedic70002

HOPEFULLY (!) your attorney can get that thrown out, but it sure makes life more difficult.

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hayzor

The More training the better.
What if scenarios are a dime a dozen, and you can make them as gray as you want. In both of your examples I still shot the guy. By not saying anything you are not going to change that. When the facts come out, what happened, happened.
That’s where training comes in – you’ll be better prepared to keep yourself out of the gray zones.
Also – the vast majority of actual SD shootings are more on the black & white side than some shade of gray. Most of the gray ones are when people are in places that they shouldn’t be in to begin with.

My bottom line to stay out of trouble – be more concerned about what I do prior to a shooting than after it.

TN_Mike

I have a couple of numbers of lawyers that handle those types of cases....other than that, as the OP said, I just don't have the $$$ to keep a lawyer on retainer.

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