Mardet65

I'm with you on this one.

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64zebra

yeah...me too
I've kept quiet but I can no longer.
The comparisons of a criminal getting treated like a criminal vs a cop making a mistake on an arrest getting his home taken from is absolutely insane. Punishment doesn't fit the crime but I see there is no sense in trying to get him to see that, his mind is already made up.
I'm not saying the cops should have free reign to do whatever they want to do, nor are they above the law but holy crap this guy is...I don't know what he is.
He must have had some really bad experiences or really doesn't like cops. Everyone is human and makes mistakes and those mistakes aren't always done on purpose just to screw someone's life up. There are penalties for cops making these mistakes ranging from verbal reprimand all the up to firing and civil suit but this guy wants everyone to burn at the stake and put his wife and kids wondering homelessly out on the street no matter what.
Ok I'm done. Probably shouldn't have wasted my time though.

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If loose gun laws are good for criminals, why do criminals support gun control?

Deanimator

If you don't want the consequences, don't commit crimes and civil torts. It's just as simple as that.

Falsely arresting somebody for something that's not a crime is NOT a "mistake". It's a crime and a civil tort. If you don't want to get sued, don't do it. That's hellishly subtle for some people. But then I've seen people who simply refuse to understand the idea that if you commit an armed robbery, your victim may shoot you.

You wouldn't countenance a "verbal reprimand" as punishment for me taking a swing at you during a traffic stop. Why should I countenance a "verbal reprimand" for you falsely arresting and imprisoning me? Do it and just as there will be if I fight you on the side of the road, there will be consequences for you.

If I carry into a liquor establishment, don't notify "promptly", or carry into a government building, I'll be prosecuted, and rightfully so. My liberty means more to me than your career and finances mean to me. My advice is not to try to wrongfully deprive me of that liberty. If you do, I'm going to treat you the way you'd treat me if I took a swing at you. Crime is crime. Crimes by cops aren't somehow "better".

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gilraen

I've enjoyed the back-and-forth, but it may be time to let this one die -- diminishing returns, you know....

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64zebra

as I said, your mindset is such you can't see through the lack of logic

I just said that cops are not above the law but the punishment should fit the crime, the punishment you have in mind for someone that genuinely makes a mistake is ludicrous
if a cop does unjustly arrest someone not out of a mistake but out being one of "those" cops then they should be hammered, but thats not always the case when a cop makes a mistake, thats all I'm saying
I'm out

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If loose gun laws are good for criminals, why do criminals support gun control?

Deanimator

Arresting somebody for something that's not a crime isn't a "mistake". It's a CRIME and a civil tort. Calling it a "mistake" doesn't make it so. It's no more of a "mistake" than my carrying into Chipotle. It's a CHOICE, and one with consequences. Or are you saying that if I carry into a liquor establishment, I should just be able to say, "Gee, I didn't know the law!" No, I didn't think so. Why you and not me?

Once somebody gets into the system, they're there forever. You've willfully deprived me of my liberty. You've changed my life forever. If you do that to me, I'm going to change your life forever.

Whenever I see somebody, cop or otherwise defending this kind of behavior by cops, it's just like watching the relatives and "posse" of some armed robber whining about how "unfair" it was for little Johnny to get shot by the guy whom he was robbing. That was certainly the case in the shooting in Cleveland of attempted armed robber Arthur Buford. It's to put it mildly, disconcerting, to see supposed upholders of the law, similarly minimizing criminal acts against citizens and claiming that the just desserts are somehow "unfair" or "disproportionate".

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I've got no sympathy for Arty Buford or for the cop who falsely arrests me because he's too lazy to know the law he's ENFORCING RIGHT NOW.

Nobody has to like the law, merely obey it. And that includes cops.

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basher052

Um hello mister moderator, can we um, lock this thread already....please

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F350

Why??? Because YOU don't like the way it is going?????

Deanimator

I'm always bemused by the idea that a person who's had a crime or intentional tort committed against him by a cop should "just let it go". Either you're against criminal behavior or you're not. If you support SOME criminal behavior, you support criminal behavior.

If I'm deprived of my liberty and my good reputation because a cop thinks that he's too good to know the law he's ENFORCING RIGHT NOW, precisely why should I fall on my sword for HIM? He certainly doesn't respect the law, my rights or me as a person. If I committed a similar crime against him, he and every cop within Saturn V range would want a piece of me. NONE of them would care whether it was a "mistake", I was "having a bad day", or that I had a family. What's in it for me to be a willing victim?

Whether cop or citizen, you need to obey the law.

If you're a cop and can't obey the law, you need to find another line of work. If you break the law violating my rights, I'm going to do everything humanly possible to get you out of law enforcement and take everything of yours I can. You don't have to like that, but then the armed robber doesn't have to like getting shot by his intended victim either.

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