Will you carry while Trick 'R Treating? - Page 8

TN_Mike · October 29th, 2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan

Well if you anticipate trouble, why go?

Sir, I anticipate trouble everywhere I go. I live by the motto "Be polite but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan

Sorry but it is a celebration of a satanic practice. Jesus does not appreciate it.

That is not true.

From History.com when looking up "The history of Halloween":

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Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).

The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.

To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities.

During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.

By A.D. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain.

The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.

By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.

This ridiculous and incorrect belief that Halloween is some sort of satanic holiday is just silly and is continuously used by various churches to drive the flocks to church.

Halloween is a harmless holiday that children look forward to for the fun and candy. There's nothing wrong with it. I doubt very seriously that Jesus would be upset about kids having fun. I feel pretty sure he is more upset about the many wars that have been started in His name.

BRTCP88 · October 29th, 2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alexcantslee

The razor blades in candy....another prime example of media BS. It happened.....ONCE. A boy put it in his own apple to garner attention from his parents. This is the same sort of BS that anti-gun people feed you to scare you. If your going to get scared away from Halloween by useless drivel you cant be surprised when people don't understand why we carry. We're all hear this stories about poisoned candy but how many people actually had it happen to them? Talk about running from the "boogie man".

I dont know that Jesus doesn't like Trick or Treating, I just got home from Volunteering at church for a T or T for the kids. Its depends on your denomination I guess.

Alex!

1) It was my parents decision to stop trick or treating

2) It wasn't about the razor blades, I was just using that to tie it to the decline of morals in this country, it was mainly based on the fact that I got scared by horrific costumes AS A KID.

Sorry I didn't know that story was fake. I was maybe 10 at the time and didn't pay attention to the news.

3) Why do you care if I trick or treat or not? I don't care that you do. Get off my case.

My decision to not participate in Halloween isn't about religion or that I think people that do are evil devil worshipers (or that I'm scared of it.) I just don't like gratuitous gore. I don't watch horror movies either. I do however like war movies because the gore is used to make a point.

It does slightly bother me that halloween used to be a child's holiday and they warped it into what it is today.Thanks for providing a place where the atmosphere is still child friendly.

Rugergirl · October 29th, 2009, 11:24 PM

After some further thoughts and the fact that Halloween falls on a Saturday this year, I guess I'll carry, even though I only carry on days that end with "Y".

scgunlover1 · October 29th, 2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by alexcantslee

I agree wholeheartedly! The only reason this holiday (Which is what it is) has such a bad rap is people's lack of participation in it. If everyone would participate it would be safe again, people pulling out and shutting their lights off change the ratio of good kids/stupid teenagers in a negative way. Halloween is NOT a pagan holiday and it does not glorify the devil. It has its older origins as well, but in that regard, Christmas is a pagan holiday as well.

Remember, the word Pagan literally means "Not Catholic". Buying into Halloween being the devil's holiday is like blindly listening to the people who say CHL holders have an 80% chance of shooting themselves.

Make it a fun holiday for the kids, buy some candy and carve a Jack-o-lantern and have a good time.

Alex!

Sorry guys but I respectfully disagree.

nightsonge · October 30th, 2009, 12:13 PM

Actually, Pagan comes from the Latin, Paganus meaning "From the country" originally it was an insult it was used like Hick or redneck today.

CEW58 · October 30th, 2009, 12:20 PM

I won't be going out, but I will be sitting at home with with my weapon on my hip. A lot of home invasions take place on Halloween night.

CEW58 · October 30th, 2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldskoolfan

Sorry but it is a celebration of a satanic practice. Jesus does not appreciate it.

You might want to skip Christmas then too. It also has Pagan origins.

Besides, Halloween started out as a Pagan celebration, but was adopted by the early Christian Church as "All Hallows Eve" which we now call Halloween.

sigmanluke · October 30th, 2009, 12:45 PM

I'm going out with my kids dressed up as a police officer (since I'm in the academy), and plan to open carry as part of my costume. The wife's not going to carry, so on eof us better. I've seen some pretty scary (not halloween scary) stuff happen while trick or treating and don't EVER plan on going out unarmed.

CEW58 · October 30th, 2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nightsonge

Celebration of a Satanic practice? Uh, speaking as a practicing Pagan "specifically Wiccan" I can say that's most definatly not the case. Samhain "Halloween" is a night of rememberance of the dead. It's a night to think of your loved ones who've passed on. To remember them with love and respect and to honor their memories. Do Satanists pull crap on that night? yes, but it doesn't define the holiday anymore than a drunken mall Santa going postal would define Christmas. Now, on topic, I'll be carrying concealed in costume while trick or treating afterwards during religious rites I'll be packing in a hidden pocket of my cloak.

I'm not a Wiccan myself, but I was invited to a local Wiccan Samhain Celebration a few years ago and there definately wasn't anything Satanic about it. It was just as you described it.

Back on topic. Halloween is a good opportunity for BGs to do home invasions. Even if a person is staying at home, it would be a good idea to stay armed.

dhbry232 · October 30th, 2009, 04:34 PM

I don't go trick or treating anymore since the kids are all grown up now, but I will have something handy in case of a zombie attack. Of course it will be concealed because I don't want to tip off the zombies that I am armed. Is a .45 Springfield 1911 sufficient against zombies or should I deploy the Mossy 12ga with 00 buckshot?

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October 29th, 2009, 11:24 PM	#73
Rugergirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,193	After some further thoughts and the fact that Halloween falls on a Saturday this year, I guess I'll carry, even though I only carry on days that end with "Y". __________________ Disclaimer: The posts made by this member are only the members opinion, not a reflection on anyone else, nor the group, and should not be cause for anyone to get their undergarments wedged in an uncomfortable position.

October 30th, 2009, 12:20 PM	#76
CEW58 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 625	I won't be going out, but I will be sitting at home with with my weapon on my hip. A lot of home invasions take place on Halloween night. __________________ "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom — for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself. The Declaration of Arbroath in the year 1320 Sig P229 DAK Ruger SP101

October 30th, 2009, 12:45 PM	#78
sigmanluke Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 1,658	I'm going out with my kids dressed up as a police officer (since I'm in the academy), and plan to open carry as part of my costume. The wife's not going to carry, so on eof us better. I've seen some pretty scary (not halloween scary) stuff happen while trick or treating and don't EVER plan on going out unarmed. __________________ "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

October 30th, 2009, 04:34 PM	#80
dhbry232 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Madison, Mississippi Posts: 162	I don't go trick or treating anymore since the kids are all grown up now, but I will have something handy in case of a zombie attack. Of course it will be concealed because I don't want to tip off the zombies that I am armed. Is a .45 Springfield 1911 sufficient against zombies or should I deploy the Mossy 12ga with 00 buckshot? __________________ "si vis pacem, para bellum" "if you want peace, prepare for war" Crime happens when three things come together: A motivated offender encounters a suitable victim and perceives a high chance of getting away with it.

October 30th, 2009, 12:13 PM	#75
nightsonge Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spiro,Oklahoma Posts: 33	Actually, Pagan comes from the Latin, Paganus meaning "From the country" originally it was an insult it was used like Hick or redneck today.

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