Gun Crime in the UK... What we hope, wont happen here. - Page 2

irish_ironsight · October 30th, 2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Beretta8045

Has a pistol ban in a country ever been lifted, after the government realized it only made things worse?

Yes, in recent year's following a successful challenge through the Irish Supreme Court, a ban on centre fire handguns was lifted forcing the authorities to issue permite to suitably qualified individuals.

Regrettably the Government instantly went to work to rectify the laws on firearms and they have now practically all but closed that loophole, in fact in Ireland there were a total of 1800 legally held center fire handguns, following the most recent round of licensing that number has now been cut to less than 200.

Presently the owners of handguns who have been refused a permit are in the process of appealing the decision legally.

badger54 · October 30th, 2009, 08:23 PM

It's getting bad over their my Mom has finally decided to move back to the USA.

nedrgr21 · October 30th, 2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tint Bob

It's the former soviet states and the eastern european states... I posted earlier on another thread...... You can pick up an AK and ammo for around $200 in the markets (under the counter of course)

Tint Bob

Nope, the UK's gov't and people are to blame, no one else. All they've accomplished is making it impossible for people to defend themselves and putting the criminals on notice that they now own the streets. Guns will always be available to those who want them. To give you an idea of the availability, keeping the law of supply and demand in mind, that's a cheaper price (after converting to US$) than what you can buy them for, legally, in the US.

cl00bie · October 30th, 2009, 10:33 PM

How can this be?!?!?!? Aren't guns illegal in Great Britain?

ccw9mm · October 30th, 2009, 10:56 PM

The stupid twits (uh, that would be the putzes in power dictating terms to the people) won't believe the increase in crime is due to their vapid policies. They just won't. The people will suffer, criminals will prosper, and the powerful putzes won't be responsible.

The more things change, the more things stay the same.

What needs to be done, IMO:

Acknowledgment of the absolute right of all people to defend themselves, their families and others.
Complete "Castle" coverage for all people in all righteous, self-defense situations, barring all financial and legal impacts for upstanding actions.
Complete right to own, carry, transport and otherwise have anything to do with weaponry of any sort commonly carried by people (ie, from rifles on down).
Imprisonment and fines for any and all putzes (officials in power) or law enforcement types who lay a finger on upstanding people for defending themselves.

Steps much short of this will leave many disrespected by the law and left out in the cold. In fairly open states, here, even, we're only partly way toward this ideal.

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Originally Posted by nedrgr21

Nope, the UK's gov't and people are to blame, no one else. All they've accomplished is making it impossible for people to defend themselves and putting the criminals on notice that they now own the streets.

Yes. Absolutely, it's that simple. And it's entirely possible that the dangerous putzes in this country will dare take it that far, damn the consequences, all on the principles that "Guns Are Bad." In reality, dangerous putzes in power are bad, far worse than firearms in the hands of every citizen could ever possibly be.

Janq · October 30th, 2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tint Bob

Rumor has it ....That the Home Office has a "D" Notice on all black on black crime.
A "D" Notice is DO NOT PUBLISH!!!
Yes it's bad although not as bad as some of the stories I read here....You do have the right to carry a self defence weapon, we do not.

Tint Bob (UK)

Bob,

Why would the UK have such a policy, official or unofficial, when the population of blacks there are minuscule as in relation to the whole?

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white (of which English 83.6%, Scottish 8.6%, Welsh 4.9%, Northern Irish 2.9%) 92.1%, black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%, mixed 1.2%, other 1.6% (2001 census)

Source - https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/uk.html

Even if every black in the UK decided to up and assault each other en masse, it still would only equate to 2% of the total UK population.
To provide relevance there are at least two to as many as seven times that many left handed people in the population as a whole.
I didn't know this prior to being curious just now and looking it up.

Not a lot of people and thus not possibly by any stretch can be deemed to be a lot of violence by a sub-group.
So actively stifling such news accounts makes no sense, on the surface.

- Janq

"How can this be?!?!?!? Aren't guns illegal in Great Britain?" - cloobie

basher052 · October 30th, 2009, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccw9mm

The stupid twits (uh, that would be the putzes in power dictating terms to the people) won't believe the increase in crime is due to their vapid policies. They just won't. The people will suffer, criminals will prosper, and the powerful putzes won't be responsible.

The more things change, the more things stay the same.

What needs to be done, IMO:

Acknowledgment of the absolute right of all people to defend themselves, their families and others.
Complete "Castle" coverage for all people in all righteous, self-defense situations, barring all financial and legal impacts for upstanding actions.
Complete right to own, carry, transport and otherwise have anything to do with weaponry of any sort commonly carried by people (ie, from rifles on down).
Imprisonment and fines for any and all putzes (officials in power) or law enforcement types who lay a finger on upstanding people for defending themselves.

Steps much short of this will leave many disrespected by the law and left out in the cold. In fairly open states, here, even, we're only partly way toward this ideal.

Yes. Absolutely, it's that simple. And it's entirely possible that the dangerous putzes in this country will dare take it that far, damn the consequences, all on the principles that "Guns Are Bad." In reality, dangerous putzes in power are bad, far worse than firearms in the hands of every citizen could ever possibly be.

Very well put, i just hope we are not too late here.

jumpwing · October 30th, 2009, 11:42 PM

Governments don't "realize" anything other than new ways to absorb power and money. And they couldn't care less about the collateral damage it causes.

The only way to make them realize that disarmament is a mistake is to make them pay for it.

paul1968mcr · October 31st, 2009, 01:13 PM

I recommend getting your ass out of the UK ASAP.

The place is heading down the crapper!! Eastern European Gangsters, Muslim maniacs, and a politicians with no backbone!!!!

Almost 3 years ago I moved with my family to the USA from South Manchester in the NW of the UK...I now have a CCW permit and 3 handguns, an 870 20g pump, .44 mag Henry underlever and a good old 10/22.

And even though I'm not a Lord or mega rich, I'm gonna get to Deer hunt this year!!!

Don't care what anyone says, the USA is the easily the best place in the world to live!! 4 years till we can become Citizens and I can't wait!!!!

B1NKS · October 31st, 2009, 03:42 PM

Politicians only propose gun control to make themselves look busy, to pretend as if they are doing something against crime. In reality, gun control has very little effect on crime; indeed, crime increased dramatically in the 1970s after the 1968 Gun Control Act, and crime has increased in Britain despite some of the most draconian gun control laws.

If politicans really wanted to reduce crime, they would toughen our laws and increase our law enforcement resources. In the meantime, law-abiding citizens should be able to arm themselves.

October 30th, 2009, 10:33 PM	#14
cl00bie Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Broome County, New York (USA) Posts: 336	How can this be?!?!?!? Aren't guns illegal in Great Britain? __________________ -Tony "Those who beat their guns into plowshares will plow for those who didn't." -- Thomas Jefferson

October 30th, 2009, 11:42 PM	#18
jumpwing Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 376	Governments don't "realize" anything other than new ways to absorb power and money. And they couldn't care less about the collateral damage it causes. The only way to make them realize that disarmament is a mistake is to make them pay for it. __________________ "The flock sleep peaceably in their pasture at night because Sheepdogs stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

October 31st, 2009, 03:42 PM	#20
B1NKS Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Santee, California Posts: 52	Politicians only propose gun control to make themselves look busy, to pretend as if they are doing something against crime. In reality, gun control has very little effect on crime; indeed, crime increased dramatically in the 1970s after the 1968 Gun Control Act, and crime has increased in Britain despite some of the most draconian gun control laws. If politicans really wanted to reduce crime, they would toughen our laws and increase our law enforcement resources. In the meantime, law-abiding citizens should be able to arm themselves. __________________ 9mm Walther P5 Compact .380 and .32 Interarms Walther PPK/S .380 and .32 Interarms Walther PPK

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October 30th, 2009, 08:23 PM	#12
badger54 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 41	It's getting bad over their my Mom has finally decided to move back to the USA.

October 31st, 2009, 01:13 PM	#19
paul1968mcr Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 34	I recommend getting your ass out of the UK ASAP. The place is heading down the crapper!! Eastern European Gangsters, Muslim maniacs, and a politicians with no backbone!!!! Almost 3 years ago I moved with my family to the USA from South Manchester in the NW of the UK...I now have a CCW permit and 3 handguns, an 870 20g pump, .44 mag Henry underlever and a good old 10/22. And even though I'm not a Lord or mega rich, I'm gonna get to Deer hunt this year!!! Don't care what anyone says, the USA is the easily the best place in the world to live!! 4 years till we can become Citizens and I can't wait!!!!