Gun Crime in the UK... What we hope, wont happen here.

swatspyder · October 30th, 2009, 09:47 AM

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Mail Online

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Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.

Last week, police in London revealed they had begun carrying out armed patrols on some streets.

The move means officers armed with sub-machine guns are engaged in routine policing for the first time.

Shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling, said last night: 'In areas dominated by gang culture, we're now seeing guns used to settle scores between rivals as well as turf wars between rival drug dealers.

'We need to redouble our efforts to deal with the challenge.'

He added: 'These figures are all the more alarming given that it is only a week since the Metropolitan Police said it was increasing regular armed patrols in some areas of the capital'.

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The gun crime figures, which were obtained by the Tories from official Parliamentary answers, do not include air weapons.

But they provide the first regional breakdown of the increasing use of firearms.

Lancashire suffered the single largest rise in gun crime, with recorded offences increasing from 50 in 1998/99 to 349 in 2007/08, an increase of 598 per cent.
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Armed: Officers engaged in routine policing are carrying sub-machine guns for the first time

Only four police forces - Cleveland-Humberside, Cambridgeshire and Sussex - recorded falls in gun crime.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

The figures follow a warning by Mr Grayling that U.S.-style gang culture has reached some parts of the UK.

In August, he made a controversial speech warning that a collapse of 'civilised life' had allowed a brutal drug and gun crime culture - like that of the U.S. TV show The Wire - to flourish in Britain.

The hit TV series tracks the nightmare of gangs and organised crime in inner city West Baltimore and the futile efforts of police to deal with them.

The Met's decision to employ armed officers on the streets has attracted criticism.

But the force, which has already begun the scheme, insists that the unprecedented tactic is a proportionate and temporary response to prevent armed gangs from controlling estates.
Trident

Trident poster campaign warning of dangers of young women and girls storing and transporting guns for others

Last month, police warned that teenage girls were now being dragged into the gun culture by hiding weapons for their boyfriends.

Police are targeting girls between 15 and 19 with an advertising blitz warning them that they can expect a five-year prison sentence if they are caught.

The number of women charged with firearms offences in London has increased six-fold in the past year - 12 have been charged since January.

Seven of them were teenagers, including a 16-year-old arrested after a 9mm Browning self-loading pistol was found in her bedroom.

Tint Bob · October 30th, 2009, 10:06 AM

Rumor has it ....That the Home Office has a "D" Notice on all black on black crime.
A "D" Notice is DO NOT PUBLISH!!!
Yes it's bad although not as bad as some of the stories I read here....You do have the right to carry a self defence weapon, we do not.

Tint Bob (UK)

BlueNinjaGo · October 30th, 2009, 10:09 AM

Let me guess... America is to blame for the guns being smuggled into the UK?

I feel bad for our British brothers.

chenemf · October 30th, 2009, 11:08 AM

Air weapons?

Self-loading pistol?

Tint Bob · October 30th, 2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueNinjaGo

Let me guess... America is to blame for the guns being smuggled into the UK?

I feel bad for our British brothers.

No the good ole USA is not to blame for this one!!!
It's the former soviet states and the eastern european states...
I posted earlier on another thread...... You can pick up an AK and ammo for around $200 in the markets (under the counter of course)

Tint Bob

Tint Bob · October 30th, 2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chenemf

Air weapons?

Self-loading pistol?

Air weapon legal power in a pistol upto 6ftlb
Air Rifle upto 12ftlb
Self loading cartridge pistols banned in 1997

tiwee · October 30th, 2009, 12:09 PM

Terrible trend. I hope there is an organization such as the NRA or GOA to fight for the rights of the citizens of Great Britain.

As we know in the USA, the best efforts of a very good law enforcement system cannot keep every individual safe. It takes personal awareness and action to keep a family safe and neighborhoods peaceful.

Beretta8045 · October 30th, 2009, 12:35 PM

Has a pistol ban in a country ever been lifted, after the government realized it only made things worse?

Tint Bob · October 30th, 2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Beretta8045

Has a pistol ban in a country ever been lifted, after the government realized it only made things worse?

It might happen once we get rid of the labour party, the conservatives (that's call me Dave Cameron) are happy to let us have .22 pistols (apparently)

tns0038 · October 30th, 2009, 02:33 PM

Tell me it isn’t so.
Even with a nationwide pistol ban gang members are still carrying guns.

How can that be?

While I hate to hear it, and I’ll pray for friends who live in Great Britten, it does serve as a shining example that gun control simply does not work.

October 30th, 2009, 10:09 AM	#3
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tiwee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ozarks Posts: 1,027	Terrible trend. I hope there is an organization such as the NRA or GOA to fight for the rights of the citizens of Great Britain. As we know in the USA, the best efforts of a very good law enforcement system cannot keep every individual safe. It takes personal awareness and action to keep a family safe and neighborhoods peaceful. __________________ Amendment 2 advocate - Trying to explain the obvious to the oblivious.

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October 30th, 2009, 10:06 AM	#2
Tint Bob Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sussex UK Posts: 133	Rumor has it ....That the Home Office has a "D" Notice on all black on black crime. A "D" Notice is DO NOT PUBLISH!!! Yes it's bad although not as bad as some of the stories I read here....You do have the right to carry a self defence weapon, we do not. Tint Bob (UK)

October 30th, 2009, 12:35 PM	#8
Beretta8045 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: MI Posts: 73	Has a pistol ban in a country ever been lifted, after the government realized it only made things worse?

October 30th, 2009, 02:33 PM	#10
tns0038 Distinguished Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,931	Tell me it isn’t so. Even with a nationwide pistol ban gang members are still carrying guns. How can that be? While I hate to hear it, and I’ll pray for friends who live in Great Britten, it does serve as a shining example that gun control simply does not work.