Jewelery store robbed.... owner arrested?? - Page 4

obxned · November 1st, 2009, 09:34 PM

Do you really want someone putting out rounds while you, or you wife, or your mother, or your kids are shopping? I feel for his loss, but a ring can be replaced.

Oldgringo · November 1st, 2009, 09:34 PM

This has been all over the TexasCHL Forum the past couple of days. IMO, PAX has hit ALL of the nails squarely on the head.

KralBlbec · November 1st, 2009, 09:46 PM

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The store owner didn't have the right to use deadly force, by statute. The offense committed was theft, not robbery. If the story is correct, the man asked to look at the ring, then grabbed it out of his hand and ran...this is theft.

I dont know the legal definition, but I disagree. To me, burglary is after or during a forced entry into a building. Robbery is taking an item from somebodies person or from their immediate control (like out of their hand). Theft is covertly taking an item from the suroundings, in the presence of the owner or not.

I don't think he should have fired (much less missed) but I hope he is cleared.

Eagleks · November 1st, 2009, 09:56 PM

Charges will be dropped, unless he has the worse attorney in the world.

LM2024 · November 2nd, 2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by obxned

Do you really want someone putting out rounds while you, or you wife, or your mother, or your kids are shopping? I feel for his loss, but a ring can be replaced.

Exactly! Shooting at a fleeing thief into a crowded shopping mall is being criminally negligent and an innocent party could have been killed. It breaks one of the rules of firearms safety: Be sure of your target and beyond. If my child was killed or injured because of this guy's negligent actions, I certainly would be raging.

LM2024 · November 2nd, 2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KralBlbec

I dont know the legal definition, but I disagree. To me, burglary is after or during a forced entry into a building. Robbery is taking an item from somebodies person or from their immediate control (like out of their hand). Theft is covertly taking an item from the suroundings, in the presence of the owner or not.

I don't think he should have fired (much less missed) but I hope he is cleared.

In our state, robbery is defined as taking property or anything of monetary value through violence or a threat of violence, while causing the victim fear.

digitalexplr · November 2nd, 2009, 12:43 AM

Another example why you MUST know the laws in your state. You MUST know when you can shoot and when you cannot. Getting caught up in the moment and trying to "Rambo" youself into some sort of urban hero will get you in jail, real quick!

JerryM · November 2nd, 2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SleepingZ

But Jerry, you are not a criminal, so you have no rights.

Z

I intend to keep the first part, and realize that only the criminals have rights. Sad but true.

Regards,
Jerry

TX-JB · November 2nd, 2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LM2024

In our state, robbery is defined as taking property or anything of monetary value through violence or a threat of violence, while causing the victim fear.

This is the definition of robbery, in Tx, almost word for word...

billdeserthills · November 2nd, 2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NCHornet

I didn't read the article but based on your statement that the owner shot a "FLEEING" suspect is why I would say he was arrested. In most states a firearm may be used to protect human life, and not property. If the BG was fleeing than what threat was he to the store owner? Was he firing a gun back at the owner? Isn't TX a castle doctrine state now? It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The police may have more info that isn't released as well.

NCH

Fleeing Felon may not be shot at...

November 1st, 2009, 09:34 PM	#31
obxned VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OBX, NC Posts: 2,252	Do you really want someone putting out rounds while you, or you wife, or your mother, or your kids are shopping? I feel for his loss, but a ring can be replaced. __________________ http://www.obxammo.com/ There is only one gun law in this country, the 2nd Amendment. All else is bureaucratic nonsense that I choose to comply with or not at my discretion. When governments make laws, they must consider the unintended consequences.

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digitalexplr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jefferson City, MO Posts: 656	Another example why you MUST know the laws in your state. You MUST know when you can shoot and when you cannot. Getting caught up in the moment and trying to "Rambo" youself into some sort of urban hero will get you in jail, real quick! __________________ XD9sc XD40 Service Mossberg 590a1 NRA Life Member

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November 1st, 2009, 09:34 PM	#32
Oldgringo New Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: East Texas Posts: 1	This has been all over the TexasCHL Forum the past couple of days. IMO, PAX has hit ALL of the nails squarely on the head.

November 1st, 2009, 09:56 PM	#34
Eagleks Distinguished Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,749	Charges will be dropped, unless he has the worse attorney in the world.