TN_Mike

Nope. I am absolutely, 100%, COMPLETELY against the Feds getting involved in carry in any way shape or form. Not even limited. Not optional. Not nothing!

Read my signature line and you will plainly see my feelings.

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sixsccw

That'll teach me to spew all over my keyboard and submit something without proof-reading it. I guess I can see where I may have misrepresented myself -

Rather than address everyone individually, I'll just go for a general clarification. If I didn't care dearly about this issue, I wouldn't bother.

- I picked the $500 as an arbitrary figure to emphasize the widespread enthusiasm I believe people would show if those who live in "may issue" states were offered more of a chance at CCW. That figure is obviously too high.
- None of the amendments, just as none of the Commandments, were ever intended to be implemented and mindlessly abided by at face value. The intent of the Founders has to be understood, and it seems our modern society has spawned a lot of issues the Fathers wouldn't have dreamed of. In a country where it seems everyone either IS a therapist or is SEEING one, some stricter regulation of CCWs may be in order.
And that's the point - right now, an awful lot of the "shall issue" states are handing out CCWs with such ease, that a document that carries grave responsibilities sometimes resembles a fishing license. I’d like to see the CCW represent more.
While I was waiting for my CCW, I thoroughly researched NY's Article 35 of the penal code so that I would understand the use of deadly force. I also took a 10-hour live-fire training course on CCW, night shooting and tactical handgun. And I will continue this training.
But it should be mandatory.

One of your responses does require a direct rebuttal - Majorlk, who said "You'd make a great spokesman for the anti movement." For your sake, and to anyone else who doubts my rabid dedication to our 2nd Amendment rights, I offer the next post which are excerpts from my letter to the judge who issued my CCW. My support of our gun rights is beyond question, and I’m sure I am in good company judging from what I’ve seen and learned on this fine site.

Thanks
Six

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aikidoka

And Indiana's which doesn't define how one has to carry. OC baby! haha

sixsccw

And here it is – I’m sure everyone here feels as I do about our God-given rights:

“Dear Judge (Deleted);

“As a responsible and law-abiding citizen who hopes to soon be a permit holder and pistol owner, I consider the issuance of an unrestricted concealed carry permit by the State of New York to be the highest honor and privilege that can be entrusted to such an individual. It is therefore appropriate and correct that I endeavor to rise to that honor; my entry into handgun ownership would be half-hearted if I did not. I am keenly aware that this type of privilege carries substantial weight, substance and duty.”

“I have heard “self defense” used as justification for concealed carry, but I am not entirely at ease with that characterization. I believe you and I, as men, are not programmed to defend only ourselves – our most noble instinctual trait is that we are programmed to defend others, to protect, and to serve the greater good first and our own safety second. As such, it is only natural and proper for us, and in fact required of us, to seek the tools that enhance our ability to uphold this innate duty. Indeed, as George F. Will wrote after the 9-11 attacks, “Public safety is the public’s business. Public authorities take the lead, and some work at it full-time. However, at all times, and especially times like these, it is every citizen’s business.”

“When I ponder all this, I am reminded of two notable incidents from our country’s past. Everyone remembers the horrible events in 1999 in Littleton, Colorado. Two murderous shooters marched unchallenged through a school, the principal being helpless, while the SWAT team sadly arrived too late. But very few recall when, two years earlier in Pearl, Mississippi, a high school vice principal heard gunshots in the hallway of the school (this time from a lone shooter), and dashed to his car and retrieved his licensed pistol. He then bravely and selflessly ran back to stop the shooter and hold him for the police.”

“Similar stories of citizens using personal firearms in the purpose of defense are quite numerous. Still, I hasten to add that I am aware an armed citizen’s rights to act in defense of oneself or of another are heavily and rightly restricted. I only use the above example to say that as men, it’s only right for us to pray that if we are ever faced with such an emergency, that each of us would have the chance and fortitude to aspire to be the vice principal from Pearl rather than the unfortunate helpless souls in Littleton.”

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Marine Corps General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders

Keltyke

I couldn't agree more!!! In some states, it's far, far too easy to obtain a permit, and a few states don't require one at all. Although I'm NOT an advocate of gun control, I'd like to see some standards enacted for people who want to carry (and possible use) deadly force. As a basis, I'd like to see a handgun handling/safety course. A half day should be enough to teach anyone how to safely carry, store, and clean handgun. I'd also like to see a course like is in place here in SC. It's an all day, 8 hour treatment of SC handgun laws, including where you can carry and when you can shoot. There's also a 50 round proficiency segment at ranges from 15 yards down to 5. There's a 60% (?) requirement there (I think it should be more like 90%).

It's not about control, it's about safety.

Xader

Bashing is not welcome.

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Louis

I respect your opinions on gun safety, but the Second Amendment was not written so that those people determined to be safe by the government could keep and bear arms. It is a basic right that predates the Constitution. I believe John Lott's first book concluded that training was not correlated with accidents. The ADs for which I have personal knowledge were by very well trained people. If we fall into the training trap we allow the government camel to get its nose under the tent.

Grant48

No thanks. When the federal government gets involved in the regulation of anything, over time the laws tend to become MORE restrictive, not less.

Not so fast... non-resident permits would still be very necessary. If national reciprocity came about, there's no guarantee that states that currently do not issue permits would have to start issuing. For example, what about residents of Illinois or Wisconsin, where CCW permits do not exist? Or states like California, New York, Maryland, etc where permits are very difficult (if not practically impossible) to receive?

Without non-resident permits, out-of-staters could carry anywhere, but residents of certain states would still be unable to do so.

sixsccw

From Keltyke – “I'd also like to see a course like is in place here in SC. It's an all day, 8 hour treatment of SC handgun laws, including where you can carry and when you can shoot. There's also a 50 round proficiency segment at ranges from 15 yards down to 5. There's a 60% (?) requirement there (I think it should be more like 90%).”

Thanks for the input, sir - How ironic is it that NY is so notoriously tough on gun owners, yet SC runs things like they ought to be? It's exactly what I'm talking about.

From Grant48 – “Without non-resident permits, out-of-staters could carry anywhere, but residents of certain states would still be unable to do so.”

Yep.

Six

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"I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you ---- with me, I'll kill you all."

Marine Corps General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders

CommonMan101

We already have a National Permit.

All these regs and such need to go away. To save myself the headache of trying to put it into words that everyone can understand I'll let Ted speak for me:

Ted Nugent: “I believe that a person's moral compass can be determined by how he references free men the right to defend themselves. The second amendment is so obvious to me, its insane that there is an argument. Let’s pretend there is no document. Let’s pretend brave families didn’t leave the tyrants and slave drivers of Europe, so that they could practice the religion of their choice, they could speak out without being murdered, that they could produce wool without the King’s men coming and taking it from them every season of harvest. Lets pretend none of this happened. Lets just pretend that this guy named Ted Nugent, parachuted down to earth and woke up one morning and saw all of these wonderful resources and had dreams of excellence and being the best that I could be. I don’t need a document and I don’t need another man to explain to me that I have the right to defend my gift of life. And that there is an argument in America from Hilary Clinton, from Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, from a whole gaggle of numbnuts, who would try to tell me they will dictate where how and if, I can defend myself. I find that preposterous, I find that unacceptable and I will not accept it. I am a free man, DON’T Tread on Me, a good law abiding citizen, not convicted of a felony. The 2nd amendment of our bill of rights is my concealed weapons permit. PERIOD. That’s it.

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Stop the insanity! You're giving the grabbers what they want by playing on their field of "control" with this permit stuff! You've already given in to the idea of gun control now it's just a matter of how much and how far until it's all gone.

Keep
It
Simple
Sweetie!