Short Discussion with Ex-LEO - Page 4

zacii · November 3rd, 2009, 10:14 PM

Man, I'm glad I'm in Az. My CCW instructor was the local Marshall.

BRTCP88 · November 3rd, 2009, 10:24 PM

Hmm...that's funny. I have an acquaintance who's an LEO and says he has civilian friends who are better trained with their weapons than some of the people he works with. He's into guns and trains a lot (and so do a lot of the people at his agency) but knows some people who aren't and don't do anything but the minimum to keep their qualification.

rottkeeper · November 3rd, 2009, 10:39 PM

Look at the good side, at least he is EX LEO.

GM · November 3rd, 2009, 11:50 PM

I do not think that the store owner knows about his employee’s attitude … unless he does not want to stay in business for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

... Simply stating that people with no working knowledge of a gun that carry a gun scare me and I consider them to be just as much of a threat as a BG.

Unfortunately I have to agree with you. My ex did not have CCW, but she owned a pocket pistol; it was a pre-owned DAO.380. She had gotten it cheap for several years ago for home protection. She kept it loaded below all clothes in a drawer. When she told me about it I asked her if she used to go to the range often, and she answered that she never had done it and that she never had fired the pistol either. Furthermore, the gun was never cleaned. According to her, all that was totally unnecessary because the gun had been unfired in the drawer during all those years, and she wanted it only for home protection. I explained to her why trying to fire that pistol should not be a very good idea, but she did not believe it. This was only the short version; the conversation did not end there at all. I do not dare to think what had happened if she had needed to use the gun to protect herself. I believe that people that think in that way should not own a gun.

rljohns · November 4th, 2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I have found this to be true as well. Many CC'rs practice relgiously with their weapons. Many cops on the other hand only practice enough to qualify when they need to. I have a friend on the swat team that lives about 4 hours away. Whenever I go to see him we always go and shoot at the police range. The swat guys guys are masters with their weapons but I have yet to see a patrol officer there that both my wife and myself couldn't shoot rings around.

I think this is very true. At our friendly wednesday night IDPA style comp at the company range we have a retired SWAT guy running it. He is smokin' fast and accurate. Seems like many gun nuts in the PD gravitate to SWAT (hence the name Special Wepons and Tactics). The rest of us are mostly engineers. Never piss off a Software Engineer, seems like almost all my martial arts classes were Software guys and now almost our whole range is software guys.

ArmyCop · November 4th, 2009, 12:28 AM

Lower part of Alabama, myself and my LEO friends are all PRO Carry as long as nothing in background check to disqualify. The more "good guys" carrying the worse for the bad guys....

I carry IWB · November 4th, 2009, 12:49 AM

I read through all the replies on this post and it seems everyone is on the same page regarding the ex LEO's attitude.

The fact of the matter is that there will always be some LEOs who believe that they are the only ones on the streets who should be armed. Then again there are LEOs who are very pro-carry. I took my CHL class through a LEO and he made that fact clear to us. The LE world is just like the real world. There are those who are for it and those who are against it (concealed carry).

I also agree with all of the people who made the comments about practice. There are many LEOs who shoot the bare minimum to qualify and practice. There are some guys and girls here at defensivecarry who shoot more in one outting to the range than some LEOs do in one full year. Just like in the real world, there are people in the LE world who do the bare minimum in their jobs to get paid - the "get in, don't get noticed, and get out" attitude. Anyone seen "Office Space?"

The fact that many concealed carry advocates are hobbyists to shooting means they will be shooting a lot, and enjoying it for that matter. To some, shooting is just part of the job. Don't get me wrong though, there are some LEOs who go the extra mile to practice. The ex-LEO was obviously misinformed and/or ignorant, like many antis.

RockinGlock · November 4th, 2009, 01:18 AM

This is a nasty topic.

But I agree people do need to get out and shoot more often, once a month at least no matter what the handgun caliber is (prefer there carry weapon of course)
I help do the CCW courses and its freakin nasty out there, I see all kinds of wild shots and unsafe handling. People need to practice we all know that, but the majority do not.

I read somewhere in another post that a man doesn't want to be sitting in the mall with his niece and some CCW holder shoots at a subject but misses and maybe misses who knows how many times. In something like that I might not know who the bad guy is and I might shoot them both because bullets are flying and I go into defense Black.

Bart · November 4th, 2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollo

While I wouldnt phrase it quite so combative I have to admit that untrained people with guns scare me.

Edit - I should rephrase that. Untrained people in PUBLIC PLACES with guns scare me.

It's the people who carry guns and "Need Training" and Need to Practice all the time who SCARE ME.

Backnblack · November 4th, 2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LM2024

That was a private discussion. So what if that's his personal feelings. Who are you to tell someone what to think? As long as he's doing his job well and providing a service, you would complain about his personal opinion? You're certainly intolerant to people who don't march in goose step with your point of view. I thought this was a free country.

True it was a private discussion, but it will affect the owner due to a loss of business...

November 3rd, 2009, 10:14 PM	#31
zacii Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: arizona Posts: 317	Man, I'm glad I'm in Az. My CCW instructor was the local Marshall. __________________ Trust in God and keep your powder dry Superduper Snubbie Thread Why 1911?

November 3rd, 2009, 10:24 PM	#32
BRTCP88 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 121	Hmm...that's funny. I have an acquaintance who's an LEO and says he has civilian friends who are better trained with their weapons than some of the people he works with. He's into guns and trains a lot (and so do a lot of the people at his agency) but knows some people who aren't and don't do anything but the minimum to keep their qualification. __________________ The point people miss is, WE ARE THE MILITIA!!! There was no standing Federal Army until the 1800s

November 3rd, 2009, 10:39 PM	#33
rottkeeper VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,225	Look at the good side, at least he is EX LEO. __________________ For as the lighting comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the son of man be. Mathew 24:27 NRA Member

November 4th, 2009, 12:28 AM	#36
ArmyCop Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chickasaw, AL Posts: 1,040	Lower part of Alabama, myself and my LEO friends are all PRO Carry as long as nothing in background check to disqualify. The more "good guys" carrying the worse for the bad guys.... __________________ Matthew 6 Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you.

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November 4th, 2009, 12:49 AM	#37
I carry IWB Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 65	I read through all the replies on this post and it seems everyone is on the same page regarding the ex LEO's attitude. The fact of the matter is that there will always be some LEOs who believe that they are the only ones on the streets who should be armed. Then again there are LEOs who are very pro-carry. I took my CHL class through a LEO and he made that fact clear to us. The LE world is just like the real world. There are those who are for it and those who are against it (concealed carry). I also agree with all of the people who made the comments about practice. There are many LEOs who shoot the bare minimum to qualify and practice. There are some guys and girls here at defensivecarry who shoot more in one outting to the range than some LEOs do in one full year. Just like in the real world, there are people in the LE world who do the bare minimum in their jobs to get paid - the "get in, don't get noticed, and get out" attitude. Anyone seen "Office Space?" The fact that many concealed carry advocates are hobbyists to shooting means they will be shooting a lot, and enjoying it for that matter. To some, shooting is just part of the job. Don't get me wrong though, there are some LEOs who go the extra mile to practice. The ex-LEO was obviously misinformed and/or ignorant, like many antis.

November 4th, 2009, 01:18 AM	#38
RockinGlock New Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13	This is a nasty topic. But I agree people do need to get out and shoot more often, once a month at least no matter what the handgun caliber is (prefer there carry weapon of course) I help do the CCW courses and its freakin nasty out there, I see all kinds of wild shots and unsafe handling. People need to practice we all know that, but the majority do not. I read somewhere in another post that a man doesn't want to be sitting in the mall with his niece and some CCW holder shoots at a subject but misses and maybe misses who knows how many times. In something like that I might not know who the bad guy is and I might shoot them both because bullets are flying and I go into defense Black.