Drawing and Finger on Trigger? - Page 4

NosaMSirhC · November 6th, 2009, 08:34 AM

I don't touch the trigger until I am ready to fire.

Be Safe,

NosaM

QKShooter · November 6th, 2009, 09:47 AM

Draw To Fire Methodology.
I would like to suggest that you watch this McCann/Grover VID.
It is extremely simple and basic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGbcJmVXn3M

Diablo · November 6th, 2009, 10:22 AM

I think that once your front sight is on the target(that you know 100% that you are going to fire at) it is ok to put you finger on the trigger.

I'm not saying you have sight alignment, I'm saying as your raising the gun to acquire site alignment (as soon as the front sight is on the target) it is then OK to put your finger on the trigger.

So what your doing is fine, as long as you know 100% that you are going to fire on the target.

gasmitty · November 6th, 2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by andr0id

Classes I have taken use this approach. As the muzzle starts to cover target, finger goes to trigger. Not sighted to bullseye/COM but ready to fire. The ideas is that you *are* pointing at something you intend to shoot and may shoot at any time, but may take an extra 1/10 second to find the "best spot".

When relaxing from this, you return to ready with muzzle still pointed at target and then remove finger as muzzle moves off target.

That's consistent with my training as well. Gun up and on the target (threat), finger is on the trigger and if there's a manual safety (think 1911), it's off. Gun comes off the target to low ready, safety is engaged and finger is off the trigger.

boscobeans · November 6th, 2009, 10:49 AM

Good video.

When he draws he shows both draw to present and draw to fire.

Draw to present- Trigger finger extended at all times.

Draw to fire- Index finger makes a smooth arc to the trigger and is in contact with the trigger by the time his pistol is on target. 2:30 into the video shows this. If you watch you will see his finger begin moving as he brings the pistol up to the shoot position.

As he says, rhythm and practice. Practice, practice, practice.....

Draw to fire means that the decision to use deadly force has been made and every second or split second counts in stopping the aggression.

I hope that none of us ever has to use the draw to fire but if a handgun is to be used in self defense against the threat of imminent deadly force it should be looked at as skill worth practicing until it becomes second nature.

bosco

gottabkiddin · November 6th, 2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by boscobeans

Good video.

Draw to fire means that the decision to use deadly force has been made and every second or split second counts in stopping the aggression.

+1, range Etiquette and SD are two very different styles of practice, when it comes to applying the last step in the sequence.

cvhoss · November 6th, 2009, 03:22 PM

Draw to fire. Never heard it called that, but it goes along with what I've always referred to as decision to shoot. I guess I like decision a bit more than draw because I believe it also applies to long guns. While I've never been in the military or been a LEO, I've been a hunter for abut 45 years now and it's the same process that I apply to hunting.

If I'm sitting in a deer stand and see the deer I've been waiting for meandering my direction, I may get the rifle pointed in the right direction and click the safety off, but the finger stays out of the trigger guard until I've got him where I want him and decide to shoot. On the other hand, if I'm dove or quail hunting and a bird suddenly appears, I'll click off the safety as I pull the gun up and move my finger onto the trigger as I shoulder the firearm so that when I get a bead, I shoot. If you wait until you have sight alignment on a bird that averages 40-45 mph before you move your finger onto the trigger, you're not bringing home much for dinner.

As I see it, the same thing applies in a defensive situation. Suppose you hear something go bump in the night so you grab your HD firearm and start checking out your house. In this situation, you don't know what you're going to find so the finger stays off the trigger. However, if you're sitting there watching tv when a BG kicks open your front door, waiting until you have sight alignment before you move your finger onto the trigger could mean the difference between you explaining to the cops why there's a dead BG on the floor and your family making your funeral plans.

Hoss

retsupt99 · November 6th, 2009, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boscobeans

Good video.

When he draws he shows both draw to present and draw to fire.

Draw to present- Trigger finger extended at all times.

Draw to fire- Index finger makes a smooth arc to the trigger and is in contact with the trigger by the time his pistol is on target. 2:30 into the video shows this. If you watch you will see his finger begin moving as he brings the pistol up to the shoot position.

As he says, rhythm and practice. Practice, practice, practice.....

Draw to fire means that the decision to use deadly force has been made and every second or split second counts in stopping the aggression.

I hope that none of us ever has to use the draw to fire but if a handgun is to be used in self defense against the threat of imminent deadly force it should be looked at as skill worth practicing until it becomes second nature.

bosco

The words taken out of my mouth...

Rugergirl · November 6th, 2009, 10:56 PM

Along with the good info posted so far, I can only stress practice.
I've found a practice drill that I feel works well for me.
I start by unloading whatever firearm I'm carrying for the day and leaving the ammo in the safe.
I double and triple check to be sure it's cleared, them re-holster.
I set my kitchen timer at random intervals and go about the things I normally would do in an average day.
When the timer goes off, that's "go" time.
Immediately move to a position of cover(if possible) as I draw.
The draw is always the same (think muscle memory), thumb pointing up, index finger pointing down, the other three fingers partially curled.
The thumb goes under the edge of the cover shirt, and the curled fingers grasp the grip, as I draw, with the index finger, well indexed along the frame.
If I happen to be carrying a 1911 for the day the thumb flips the safety off as the gun clears the holster.
The index finger never moves to the trigger until I have sight alignment with the "imaginary target".
I do practice this drill alone, usually two or three times a week.
The entire process is one-handed, mainly because there is a 50% chance in a defensive situation I may have only one hand available.

QKShooter · November 6th, 2009, 11:21 PM

Rugergirl.
Interesting/innovative idea using the kitchen timer.

November 6th, 2009, 08:34 AM	#31
NosaMSirhC Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: 23435 Posts: 137	I don't touch the trigger until I am ready to fire. Be Safe, NosaM __________________ "In a crisis, you will not rise to the occasion, but you will default to the level of your training."

November 6th, 2009, 03:22 PM	#37
cvhoss Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,789	Draw to fire. Never heard it called that, but it goes along with what I've always referred to as decision to shoot. I guess I like decision a bit more than draw because I believe it also applies to long guns. While I've never been in the military or been a LEO, I've been a hunter for abut 45 years now and it's the same process that I apply to hunting. If I'm sitting in a deer stand and see the deer I've been waiting for meandering my direction, I may get the rifle pointed in the right direction and click the safety off, but the finger stays out of the trigger guard until I've got him where I want him and decide to shoot. On the other hand, if I'm dove or quail hunting and a bird suddenly appears, I'll click off the safety as I pull the gun up and move my finger onto the trigger as I shoulder the firearm so that when I get a bead, I shoot. If you wait until you have sight alignment on a bird that averages 40-45 mph before you move your finger onto the trigger, you're not bringing home much for dinner. As I see it, the same thing applies in a defensive situation. Suppose you hear something go bump in the night so you grab your HD firearm and start checking out your house. In this situation, you don't know what you're going to find so the finger stays off the trigger. However, if you're sitting there watching tv when a BG kicks open your front door, waiting until you have sight alignment before you move your finger onto the trigger could mean the difference between you explaining to the cops why there's a dead BG on the floor and your family making your funeral plans. Hoss __________________ I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I always was Sig 239 SAS 40 S&W / Sig 239 9mm / Kahr PM-9 / Walther PPS .40 / Sig P-245 / Ruger LCP Beretta Tomcat / Walther PPK / BDA 380 / Taurus 85 / Kel-Tec PF-9 / Am. Derringer 357 NRA Life Member My Web Site

November 6th, 2009, 10:56 PM	#39
Rugergirl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,193	Along with the good info posted so far, I can only stress practice. I've found a practice drill that I feel works well for me. I start by unloading whatever firearm I'm carrying for the day and leaving the ammo in the safe. I double and triple check to be sure it's cleared, them re-holster. I set my kitchen timer at random intervals and go about the things I normally would do in an average day. When the timer goes off, that's "go" time. Immediately move to a position of cover(if possible) as I draw. The draw is always the same (think muscle memory), thumb pointing up, index finger pointing down, the other three fingers partially curled. The thumb goes under the edge of the cover shirt, and the curled fingers grasp the grip, as I draw, with the index finger, well indexed along the frame. If I happen to be carrying a 1911 for the day the thumb flips the safety off as the gun clears the holster. The index finger never moves to the trigger until I have sight alignment with the "imaginary target". I do practice this drill alone, usually two or three times a week. The entire process is one-handed, mainly because there is a 50% chance in a defensive situation I may have only one hand available. __________________ Disclaimer: The posts made by this member are only the members opinion, not a reflection on anyone else, nor the group, and should not be cause for anyone to get their undergarments wedged in an uncomfortable position.

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November 6th, 2009, 09:47 AM	#32
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 23,476	Draw To Fire Methodology. I would like to suggest that you watch this McCann/Grover VID. It is extremely simple and basic. *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGbcJmVXn3M*

November 6th, 2009, 10:22 AM	#33
Diablo Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NPR, FL Posts: 52	I think that once your front sight is on the target(that you know 100% that you are going to fire at) it is ok to put you finger on the trigger. I'm not saying you have sight alignment, I'm saying as your raising the gun to acquire site alignment (as soon as the front sight is on the target) it is then OK to put your finger on the trigger. So what your doing is fine, as long as you know 100% that you are going to fire on the target.

November 6th, 2009, 10:49 AM	#35
boscobeans Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: upstate new york Posts: 719	Good video. When he draws he shows both draw to present and draw to fire. Draw to present- Trigger finger extended at all times. Draw to fire- Index finger makes a smooth arc to the trigger and is in contact with the trigger by the time his pistol is on target. 2:30 into the video shows this. If you watch you will see his finger begin moving as he brings the pistol up to the shoot position. As he says, rhythm and practice. Practice, practice, practice..... Draw to fire means that the decision to use deadly force has been made and every second or split second counts in stopping the aggression. I hope that none of us ever has to use the draw to fire but if a handgun is to be used in self defense against the threat of imminent deadly force it should be looked at as skill worth practicing until it becomes second nature. bosco

November 6th, 2009, 11:21 PM	#40
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 23,476	Rugergirl. Interesting/innovative idea using the kitchen timer.