Lawrence Keeney

If he came within ten feet of me and discussed murder, rape of my loved ones, or something similarly disgusting, he would get painted with pepper spray. I'd scream GET AWAY FROM ME really loud and hose him.

When the cops came, I would tell them about how he threatened me and my group, and how I felt personally threatened. I imagine he would shortly thereafter take a ride in the back of a police car.

I'm betting he's one of those left-wing Christian hating punks that go after people of faith because they voted for Bush.

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Zundfolge

I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest that one NEVER use a restraining order.

I've never met anyone who got one that was protected by it and I've seen several instances where the restraining order became the catylist for an escalation of the violence.

They don't do anything but piss off the bad guy and push him across a line where he may do worse because if he gets caught doing harmless things he's in just as much trouble as if he gets caught doing harmful things.

The restraining order removes his incentive to stop short of actual harm ... but its not enough incentive to make him stop bothering you and go away.


The only thing restraining orders are good for is helping to establish "self defense" should you have to take them out.


Yep ... gotta love those open minded and tolerant liberals

AKsrule

While this is probably just a lone freak -
Do NOT Overlook the possibility that he is a member of a group!

http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?S=PA&m=4



These groups attract mentally unbalanced people , and they
typically instigate violence and target religious groups as well as
ethnic populations they do not like.

Keep the police informed of any incidents!

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erh

LibertyGal - I know that this is going to seem a bit inappropriate, but not so, IF you have the right person w/ the right mentality. Before this escalates to a seriously ugly "National News type event..." Have the right guy go and "Put The Fear Of God In This Jerk..! This does not have to involve weapons of any sort; merely a correct attitude, & a very convincing personality..! I admit that this probably does not get me nominated for "Christian" of the year, but there's lots to be said for "Compulsion to Repent..!"

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LibertyGal

I found out today that Creepo & his buddy did indeed follow some of our group as they returned to their cars after the event. Interestingly, he didn't follow me, a pregnant lady and her husband & toddler, which would have seemingly been the most vulnerable group (her husband is VERY imposing though, and since Creepo had interacted with me somewhat, he knew I wasn't afraid of him). He followed the larger group. They of course were aware of him, so when he rounded the corner they were all standing there waiting for him. Took him by surprise. There was some discussion about his previous comments, which he denied. It turns out one of the teens heard what he said to the lady about rape and necrophilia, so we do have two witnesses to that.

They said his buddy hung way back, wouldn't come close. They also said his hands were shaking, he was afraid. Of course, being a coward just makes him more dangerous.


Well, like Pastor always says . . . "You don't have to repent and get right with God . . . but you might wish you had!" And I must say, most of our guys have a "correct attitude and a very convincing personality." They either have experience dealing with roughnecks, or they WERE one before they were saved. And that's just the ladies

Thanks to everyone for all the input . . . I'm keeping records and always keeping watch.

LibertyGal

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I videotape all the time in public. Most wiretapping laws were written with covert telephone wiretapping in mind. Some states have a "two-party" law like yours, where both parties must agree; some have a "one-party" law where as long as I am one of the parties, I don't necessarily have to inform the other person. Check the fine print on the law - there may well be exceptions to the restrictions.

But regardless of the state law, there are often case laws where the court has ruled in favor, particularly in the case of videotaping in public. PA is a "one-party" state, plus I carry a card in my video bag that cites the PA Supreme Court cases. Even LEOs often don't know the law, mistakenly telling me I must turn off the video or audio, but have allowed me to continue when I showed them the card and explain things to them.

Generally, videotaping openly in a public place is acceptable even with the audio on and within range, because a person in a public place has "no expectation of privacy" and their conversations could be heard naturally by a bystander. (We're talking open videotaping - not pervert stuff like "upskirting" or videoing into a private residence from a public sidewalk.) The sight of someone holding a videocamera in a public place assumes that if you walk nearby and say something, you will appear on the film and the audio. you then have the option of keeping your mouth shut and avoiding the camera.

I do not approach other people's private conversations, but if they engage one of our people, then they are fair game. (Of course, if it is just asking questions or counseling, I stay out of range, but if it is confrontational, I get right in there.)

Also our videos are not for commercial or public exhibit.

Federal law also reads in part: 18 U.S.C. § 2511(2)(d). It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law [in other words, not LEOs - they are under stricter rules than a civilian regarding wiretapping and must get court orders etc.] to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State.

Now recording on a hidden audiorecorder in a two-party state might be a problem. But under the circumstances - being threatened - it might convince the police to act, and probably the worst that would happen would be that it would not be allowed as evidence in court. If the DA was foolish enough under the circumstances to charge me with a felony, I'd appeal it to the Federal level and use the Federal statute cited above.

LibertyGal

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ssssthesnake

i belive that here in california that any treat made verbaly can be constured as terorist threat if witnessed buy another might be wrong but almost sure of it imo i would wait for him then id------ and after while he is lying there id explain that if i seen him neer my family agine id ------- of course id do this where we could have a verry private chat as in just he and i that is the choice i would make not saying you or your hubby should do the same