Firearms Training & Competence

acparmed · February 2nd, 2005, 12:52 AM

THE FOUR LEVELS OF COMPETENCE

I don’t know who originated the following stratification. I have observed its profound application to many subjects who carry a weapon for self-defense.

UNCONSCIOUSLY INCOMPETENT
The UI individual represents approximately 95% of all gun owners and includes people (police and military) who carry a gun for a living. The UI is incompetent but does not know he is incompetent because he has had no training or poor training, and has not yet experienced a tactical situation, which would clearly demonstrate his inadequacies. Examples of the UI can be found everywhere. The police officer who boasts that he has never had to draw his pistol in 10 years of duty is a lucky UI. The cop who only practices shooting his weapon a few times per year in order to pass the mandatory range qualifications is UI. The gun owner, who buys a gun and a box of ammo, fires a few shots at the range and then places the gun in his closet; confident he can use it effectively to protect himself is UI. The hunter who only shoots once a year to sight-in his rifle before going hunting is UI. Military personnel who receive basic rifle training, but have not handled a weapon WITH LIVE AMMUNITION in over six months are UI. Unfortunately, the UI often learns of his ineptitude for the first time under the most extreme stress situations. When the flag flies, the UI’s first lesson may be his last.

CONSCIOUSLY INCOMPETENT
If the UI survives his first lesson, and is smart enough to place the blame on the man in the mirror, the UI automatically graduates to the level of CI. The CI now knows he does not know and seeks help in acquiring the proper skills in the use of his weapon. The CI is a motivated student of weapon craft. Although the CI is still operating at a level of incompetence, the CI recognizes his faults, and in doing so can focus his efforts toward reaching a level of competency.

CONSCIOUSLY COMPETENT
With proper training and practice, the CI develops into the CC. The length of time needed to develop from CI to CC is directly related to the quality of the training and the motivation of the student. The CC is able to manipulate his weapon and clear malfunctions in a safe and efficient manner. The CC understands the principles of marksmanship, shot placement, and ammunition management. Quick assumption of field positions and the use of cover are familiar concepts to the CC. The CC has adopted the combat mind set as his own. As the level indicates, the CC is very quick and competent, but must think about what he is doing. Every decision and action occurs as a result of an intricate thought process and has not yet reached a reflex response level. The CC will respond effectively to most stress situations that do not require split second decisions or actions.

UNCONSCIOUSLY COMPETENT
As the fourth and ultimate level of competence implies, the UC individual has programmed his mind and body (after thousands of repetitions) to react in a fraction of a second with consistent responses that require no perceivable thought process. The UC functions flawlessly even under stressful situations because the UC’s extensive training overrides his conscious thought process. As you can imagine, the UC is not common in today’s society. This sad fact is due more to lack of proper training than to lack of motivation. Here are a few examples of the UC in action. In the heat of a gun battle, a pistolero hears a “click” as his hammer falls on a defective round. He reflexively taps the magazine, racks-flips the action, and hammers two rounds into his adversary’s chest without consciously recognizing that his gun had malfunctioned. Upon sighting a trophy, a hunter slings up as he drops into a steady sitting position. He fires, manipulates the bolt on recoil – without the rifle leaving his shoulder or his eyes leaving the game – producing a one shot kill and he does it all in less time than it takes to read this sentence. The combat shot gunner, confronted with a rapidly deteriorating hostage situation at 15 meters, immediately aims his front sight at the outside ear of the gunman, then confidently delivers half of the shotgun’s pattern to the gunman’s head.

APachon · February 2nd, 2005, 12:56 AM

I think this is from Ignatius Piazza of Front Sight, but do not quote me on that. Great read nonetheless. Thanks for posting.

~A

acparmed · February 2nd, 2005, 01:02 AM

It is from Piazza, I have been to Front Sight on a couple of occasions and my opinion of him is not fit for print here, but he has a few pearls of wisdom to impart.

APachon · February 2nd, 2005, 01:09 AM

What is your take on classes offered by Front Sight? Wife and I are going to be attending the 4-day defensive handgun course.

Pyrolyzer · February 2nd, 2005, 03:54 AM

Several times since I began shooting, I started to think of myself as CC then discovered something new that made me realize that I was UI. For example, at one time, I learned to hit a target stationary target from a stationary stance pretty well and thought I knew how to fight. So, I learned to move and shoot quickly and thought that I knew how to fight. Then I realized my gunhandling skills were clumsy. So, I learned to clear malfunctions, reload, and transition from one gun to a backup. Then I learned that tactics matter more than marksmanship. So, I learned how to pie corners, clear stairways and enter doorways. By this time, I'm getting pretty reluctant to quickly start thinking of myself as good or competant because I'm starting to know how much I don't know. Then I learned that gunfights happen at fistfight range and you need to be able to fight with a determined attacker at contact range while you draw and employ your firearm. Low light shooting . . . same story. Wounded/disadvantaged shooting . . . same again.

What's next? I'm imagining it's adrenal stress gunfight training.

I think it's Clint Smith who's known for saying: "I don't know much about gunfighting, but I know a little."

Chuck

Bud White · February 2nd, 2005, 07:14 AM

Good Read ya know a few years back there was a article on
adrenal stress during a gunfight for example they had a dr and id like to say emt shoot a course of fire then inject
Themselfs with adrenal and reshoot it .. intersting article

clubsoda22 · February 2nd, 2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bud White

Good Read ya know a few years back there was a article on
adrenal stress during a gunfight for example they had a dr and id like to say emt shoot a course of fire then inject
Themselfs with adrenal and reshoot it .. intersting article

That was an infamous test that Ayoob did in an LFI 4 class. Had students run a course of fire after a dose of epinephrine.

QKShooter · February 2nd, 2005, 04:26 PM

Good thread!
You'll think this is interesting if you're not aware of it already.
I am from Pittsburgh & PA is a "Shall Issue" state.
Here a person can go buy a firearm (of course with the proper NICS & paperwork done) & then have 2 photos taken & pay about $20.00 to get a license to carry concealed with no competency test or no safety classes required & then just carry. You just fill out the application & if you have no criminal history...you got it.
So...technically a person here can purchase a firearm & then carry it without ever having fired one single shot from any firearm...ever...in their entire lifetime.
Amazingly we do not seem to have any higher rate of negligent or "accidental" discharge or any more than average problems stemming from our CCW policy.
But, the overall violent crime rate here is extremely low & (I'm guessing) that the vast majority of folks who carry here never actually need to use their firearm defensively. I guess some folks here carry as a "security blanket" that they just never use.
Most of the folks that I know who carry here in Pittsburgh have a great deal of personal responsibility & lots of shooting, range, & "training time" clocked in but, it's all voluntary & not required.

F350 · February 2nd, 2005, 04:45 PM

When I was in Indiana it was pretty much the same; anyone 18 and over can go the their CLEO and fill out the forms, local LEO checks them out and if that clears you send on to State Police if you clear there the state sends the permit. It is a paper permit with no picture, Indiana is also shall issue. When I was there the permit also exempted you from state paperwork for handgun purchase and also worked for NICS, so if you had your permit you could walk in, buy a handgun and walk out with it.

FortyFive · February 2nd, 2005, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F350

When I was in Indiana it was pretty much the same; anyone 18 and over can go the their CLEO and fill out the forms, local LEO checks them out and if that clears you send on to State Police if you clear there the state sends the permit. It is a paper permit with no picture, Indiana is also shall issue. When I was there the permit also exempted you from state paperwork for handgun purchase and also worked for NICS, so if you had your permit you could walk in, buy a handgun and walk out with it.

I like it, the more I become educated by the forum as to carry and how other states issue the more I believe we don't require mandated training to get our ccw. Those who wish to learn and know the rules will get training on their own. One would think Texas was very easy but after reading about how long it takes to get a permit processed and the conditions you must meet I am surprised.

February 2nd, 2005, 12:52 AM	#1
acparmed 1952 - 2006 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,371	Firearms Training & Competence THE FOUR LEVELS OF COMPETENCE I don’t know who originated the following stratification. I have observed its profound application to many subjects who carry a weapon for self-defense. UNCONSCIOUSLY INCOMPETENT The UI individual represents approximately 95% of all gun owners and includes people (police and military) who carry a gun for a living. The UI is incompetent but does not know he is incompetent because he has had no training or poor training, and has not yet experienced a tactical situation, which would clearly demonstrate his inadequacies. Examples of the UI can be found everywhere. The police officer who boasts that he has never had to draw his pistol in 10 years of duty is a lucky UI. The cop who only practices shooting his weapon a few times per year in order to pass the mandatory range qualifications is UI. The gun owner, who buys a gun and a box of ammo, fires a few shots at the range and then places the gun in his closet; confident he can use it effectively to protect himself is UI. The hunter who only shoots once a year to sight-in his rifle before going hunting is UI. Military personnel who receive basic rifle training, but have not handled a weapon WITH LIVE AMMUNITION in over six months are UI. Unfortunately, the UI often learns of his ineptitude for the first time under the most extreme stress situations. When the flag flies, the UI’s first lesson may be his last. CONSCIOUSLY INCOMPETENT If the UI survives his first lesson, and is smart enough to place the blame on the man in the mirror, the UI automatically graduates to the level of CI. The CI now knows he does not know and seeks help in acquiring the proper skills in the use of his weapon. The CI is a motivated student of weapon craft. Although the CI is still operating at a level of incompetence, the CI recognizes his faults, and in doing so can focus his efforts toward reaching a level of competency. CONSCIOUSLY COMPETENT With proper training and practice, the CI develops into the CC. The length of time needed to develop from CI to CC is directly related to the quality of the training and the motivation of the student. The CC is able to manipulate his weapon and clear malfunctions in a safe and efficient manner. The CC understands the principles of marksmanship, shot placement, and ammunition management. Quick assumption of field positions and the use of cover are familiar concepts to the CC. The CC has adopted the combat mind set as his own. As the level indicates, the CC is very quick and competent, but must think about what he is doing. Every decision and action occurs as a result of an intricate thought process and has not yet reached a reflex response level. The CC will respond effectively to most stress situations that do not require split second decisions or actions. UNCONSCIOUSLY COMPETENT As the fourth and ultimate level of competence implies, the UC individual has programmed his mind and body (after thousands of repetitions) to react in a fraction of a second with consistent responses that require no perceivable thought process. The UC functions flawlessly even under stressful situations because the UC’s extensive training overrides his conscious thought process. As you can imagine, the UC is not common in today’s society. This sad fact is due more to lack of proper training than to lack of motivation. Here are a few examples of the UC in action. In the heat of a gun battle, a pistolero hears a “click” as his hammer falls on a defective round. He reflexively taps the magazine, racks-flips the action, and hammers two rounds into his adversary’s chest without consciously recognizing that his gun had malfunctioned. Upon sighting a trophy, a hunter slings up as he drops into a steady sitting position. He fires, manipulates the bolt on recoil – without the rifle leaving his shoulder or his eyes leaving the game – producing a one shot kill and he does it all in less time than it takes to read this sentence. The combat shot gunner, confronted with a rapidly deteriorating hostage situation at 15 meters, immediately aims his front sight at the outside ear of the gunman, then confidently delivers half of the shotgun’s pattern to the gunman’s head. __________________ Heroes are people who do what has to be done, when it has to be done, regardless of the consequences "I like when the enemy shoots at me; then I know where the ****** are and can kill them." ~George Patton DE OPPRESSO LIBER**

February 2nd, 2005, 12:56 AM	#2
APachon Forum Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,091	I think this is from Ignatius Piazza of Front Sight, but do not quote me on that. Great read nonetheless. Thanks for posting. ~A __________________ Fave Quotes The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live!!! All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. Henry Ward Beecher Last edited by APachon; February 2nd, 2005 at 12:58 AM.

February 2nd, 2005, 01:02 AM	#3
acparmed 1952 - 2006 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,371	It is from Piazza, I have been to Front Sight on a couple of occasions and my opinion of him is not fit for print here, but he has a few pearls of wisdom to impart. __________________ Heroes are people who do what has to be done, when it has to be done, regardless of the consequences "I like when the enemy shoots at me; then I know where the ****** are and can kill them." ~George Patton DE OPPRESSO LIBER**

February 2nd, 2005, 01:09 AM	#4
APachon Forum Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,091	What is your take on classes offered by Front Sight? Wife and I are going to be attending the 4-day defensive handgun course. __________________ Fave Quotes The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live!!! All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. Henry Ward Beecher

February 2nd, 2005, 03:54 AM	#5
Pyrolyzer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Amarillo, TX Posts: 72	Several times since I began shooting, I started to think of myself as CC then discovered something new that made me realize that I was UI. For example, at one time, I learned to hit a target stationary target from a stationary stance pretty well and thought I knew how to fight. So, I learned to move and shoot quickly and thought that I knew how to fight. Then I realized my gunhandling skills were clumsy. So, I learned to clear malfunctions, reload, and transition from one gun to a backup. Then I learned that tactics matter more than marksmanship. So, I learned how to pie corners, clear stairways and enter doorways. By this time, I'm getting pretty reluctant to quickly start thinking of myself as good or competant because I'm starting to know how much I don't know. Then I learned that gunfights happen at fistfight range and you need to be able to fight with a determined attacker at contact range while you draw and employ your firearm. Low light shooting . . . same story. Wounded/disadvantaged shooting . . . same again. What's next? I'm imagining it's adrenal stress gunfight training. I think it's Clint Smith who's known for saying: "I don't know much about gunfighting, but I know a little." Chuck __________________ When it's time to stomp cockroaches, you don't want to be wearing your fuzzy bunny slippers. Last edited by Pyrolyzer; February 2nd, 2005 at 03:56 AM.

February 2nd, 2005, 07:14 AM	#6
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	Good Read ya know a few years back there was a article on adrenal stress during a gunfight for example they had a dr and id like to say emt shoot a course of fire then inject Themselfs with adrenal and reshoot it .. intersting article

February 2nd, 2005, 04:26 PM	#8
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Runthegun, USA Posts: 18,777	apcarmed & APachon Good thread! You'll think this is interesting if you're not aware of it already. I am from Pittsburgh & PA is a "Shall Issue" state. Here a person can go buy a firearm (of course with the proper NICS & paperwork done) & then have 2 photos taken & pay about $20.00 to get a license to carry concealed with no competency test or no safety classes required & then just carry. You just fill out the application & if you have no criminal history...you got it. So...technically a person here can purchase a firearm & then carry it without ever having fired one single shot from any firearm...ever...in their entire lifetime. Amazingly we do not seem to have any higher rate of negligent or "accidental" discharge or any more than average problems stemming from our CCW policy. But, the overall violent crime rate here is extremely low & (I'm guessing) that the vast majority of folks who carry here never actually need to use their firearm defensively. I guess some folks here carry as a "security blanket" that they just never use. Most of the folks that I know who carry here in Pittsburgh have a great deal of personal responsibility & lots of shooting, range, & "training time" clocked in but, it's all voluntary & not required. __________________ *Support Our Troops* How Very Fortunate You Are To Have Two Arms To Put Into A Ward 57 T-Shirt. DC MEMBERS ~ PLEASE BUY A WARD 57 SHIRT. Click Here.

February 2nd, 2005, 04:45 PM	#9
F350 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Columbia, MO area Posts: 520	When I was in Indiana it was pretty much the same; anyone 18 and over can go the their CLEO and fill out the forms, local LEO checks them out and if that clears you send on to State Police if you clear there the state sends the permit. It is a paper permit with no picture, Indiana is also shall issue. When I was there the permit also exempted you from state paperwork for handgun purchase and also worked for NICS, so if you had your permit you could walk in, buy a handgun and walk out with it.

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