A Shot in dark - Page 2

Scott · March 27th, 2005, 05:32 PM

Simple solution. Just keep firing. It will be a strobe light effect, and you'll be able to see ok.

Ok, maybe I need a little

I was taught to close the firing eye as I was squeezing off the shot. I've only fired rifles and shotguns in the "dark". Handguns in lowlight. Handguns posed no problem. Rifle and shotguns would give me some problems until my eyes recovered so the eye closing trick seemed to work ok.

-Scott-

QKShooter · March 27th, 2005, 05:56 PM

I've tested Speer in .45 at night & the muzzle flash is quite low.
Just FYI

rocky · March 27th, 2005, 06:00 PM

I use surefire lights too. Also moving and stobing the light will throw off your opponent. Harder for em to get a fix on ya , and you can possibly blind with the light. Muzzle flash doesn't seem that bad to me.

P95Carry · March 27th, 2005, 06:07 PM

OK, repeat I know LOL ... but don't use this combo in the dark!! The Win 240 grain ''whimp'' loads!

45 - seriously - I would like many try to have my E1e at hand - it lives on my belt. But if no chance for that then I would hope for much more of the dull ''orange'' flash and so not excessive or total loss of night vision plus - yes, adopt lower position and/or move to side etc. Just don't stay a static target.

All this of course has to taken with the somewhat reduced thinking time of an incident - over in very few seconds!

The Tourist · March 27th, 2005, 07:07 PM

My answer to the scenario still stands.

Chances are that the participants of this forum take safety, security and firearms safely. I'll bet that most of send tens of thousands of practice rounds down-range.

We should know by now that we might be disoriented. We should know the traps aggressors try to pull us into. We should walk in 'condition yellow.'

And if we carry a handgun we should have a spare reload and a flashlight with us.

If we do not have these items or we are too incapacitated to engage, then our objective is not to press an attact or choose 'the next best plan.'

The objective then is to back up (run, drive, fly, jump) out of the scenario. Now, once out, it is not your call at any level. Any level.

Once safe, call the Federales. We are not sworn officers.

havegunjoe · March 27th, 2005, 08:35 PM

The solution is called point shooting. It works.

TAPS CCW · March 28th, 2005, 01:57 PM

In your eyes you have cones and rods. As you start to get used to the darkness the rods are coated with a chemical that allows you to see better. It takes approx. 45 minutes for this to occur. If you get hit with a light source you get to start over again. Red LEDs do not hamper night vision. Also night vision sees only in shades of black, white and gray. Another interesting fact, shine your light on a target and while still looking at the target turn the light off. The target disappears for a short while, use that to your advantage. If you carry a light on your gun be sure to carry one on your belt also. If you are going to spend much time in the dark use a red filtered light.

March 27th, 2005, 05:56 PM	#12
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Runthegun, USA Posts: 18,655	Flash I've tested Speer in .45 at night & the muzzle flash is quite low. Just FYI

March 27th, 2005, 06:07 PM	#14
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,339	OK, repeat I know LOL ... but don't use this combo in the dark!! The Win 240 grain ''whimp'' loads! 45 - seriously - I would like many try to have my E1e at hand - it lives on my belt. But if no chance for that then I would hope for much more of the dull ''orange'' flash and so not excessive or total loss of night vision plus - yes, adopt lower position and/or move to side etc. Just don't stay a static target. All this of course has to taken with the somewhat reduced thinking time of an incident - over in very few seconds! __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug Last edited by P95Carry; March 27th, 2005 at 06:08 PM. Reason: Helps if I use right tags .. duh!

March 27th, 2005, 08:35 PM	#16
havegunjoe Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,677	Part of the training I offer deals with shooting in low light and darkness. The solution is called point shooting. It works. __________________ DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONTESTING THE VOTE. Certified Instructor for Minnesota Carry Permit NRA Pistol and Personal Protection Insrtuctor Utah Permit Certified Instructor

March 28th, 2005, 01:57 PM	#17
TAPS CCW Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV. Posts: 60	In your eyes you have cones and rods. As you start to get used to the darkness the rods are coated with a chemical that allows you to see better. It takes approx. 45 minutes for this to occur. If you get hit with a light source you get to start over again. Red LEDs do not hamper night vision. Also night vision sees only in shades of black, white and gray. Another interesting fact, shine your light on a target and while still looking at the target turn the light off. The target disappears for a short while, use that to your advantage. If you carry a light on your gun be sure to carry one on your belt also. If you are going to spend much time in the dark use a red filtered light. __________________ T.A.P.S. Tactics-Accuracy-Power-Speed

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March 27th, 2005, 05:32 PM	#11
Scott Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Old Dominion Posts: 4,275	Simple solution. Just keep firing. It will be a strobe light effect, and you'll be able to see ok. Ok, maybe I need a little I was taught to close the firing eye as I was squeezing off the shot. I've only fired rifles and shotguns in the "dark". Handguns in lowlight. Handguns posed no problem. Rifle and shotguns would give me some problems until my eyes recovered so the eye closing trick seemed to work ok. -Scott-

March 27th, 2005, 06:00 PM	#13
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 11,072	I use surefire lights too. Also moving and stobing the light will throw off your opponent. Harder for em to get a fix on ya , and you can possibly blind with the light. Muzzle flash doesn't seem that bad to me.

March 27th, 2005, 07:07 PM	#15
The Tourist Former Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 693	My answer to the scenario still stands. Chances are that the participants of this forum take safety, security and firearms safely. I'll bet that most of send tens of thousands of practice rounds down-range. We should know by now that we might be disoriented. We should know the traps aggressors try to pull us into. We should walk in 'condition yellow.' And if we carry a handgun we should have a spare reload and a flashlight with us. If we do not have these items or we are too incapacitated to engage, then our objective is not to press an attact or choose 'the next best plan.' The objective then is to back up (run, drive, fly, jump) out of the scenario. Now, once out, it is not your call at any level. Any level. Once safe, call the Federales. We are not sworn officers.