Hand to Hand Training

JCook5003 · January 4th, 2008, 10:30 AM

Ok guys after watching some of those caught on video type shows......and after something I witnessed this New Years Eve, I have decided I need to take a hand to hand type class.....

I don’t want to study a formal martial art.....I want to learn to fight off an attacker long enough to run away or employ my firearm....

I think I have been foolish to believe my weapons training was enough and I want to be prepared for the fight and I know it wont go down the way I have pictured it.......

I was looking for some kind of seminar or class I could take and learn some good hand to hand techniques and defense.......

What do you guys recommend and are there any classes like this over our way in Southwest Virginia.

Thanks in advance.

David Blinder · January 4th, 2008, 11:01 AM

www.insightstraining.com and look at their East coast schedule for unarmed self-defense. They have a 2/16-17 in Quantico and one 4/5-6 in Harrisburg. Their program is top-notch and is perfect for what you describe you are looking for.

exactlymypoint · January 4th, 2008, 11:27 AM

I do not think you are going to learn this in a weekend class. It requires practice to the point of proficiency and then some.

My son and I just started a Krav Maga class. I am quite impressed so far. You might want to look into seeing if there is one in your area. Google it as there may be a local instructor near by that is not listed on the national website.

http://www.kravmaga.com

matiki · January 4th, 2008, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exactlymypoint

I do not think you are going to learn this in a weekend class. It requires practice to the point of proficiency and then some.

Agreed... I think you should at least consider training in a martial art. You need something that will force repetition on you to make it second nature.

MitchellCT · January 4th, 2008, 12:07 PM

http://www.teamruthless.com/

They are in Manassas, VA.

If you want to get in fighting trim, talk to them.

rathos · January 4th, 2008, 02:33 PM

Look for a weapons retention teacher. Ask the local PD who they use. The guy up here teaches you how to hold onto your weapon by defending off attacks. I thought it was just going to be useful against gun grabs, but it pretty much teaches you how to fend off an attacker, whether or not he is going for your gun.

kpw · January 4th, 2008, 06:03 PM

Fending of an attacker and fighting are 2 different things. There is no replacement for experience. Every martial art form can give you the tools to be effective. Using them proficiently during an altercation is the hard part. Even a lot of the self defense type dvds can provide you with the tools, if you pick through them. Buy a heavy bag and hit it. Use your elbows and knees... a lot. It won't prepare you for the worst but it will give you something. Weapon retention classes are very useful but it's just a start.

KenpoTex · January 5th, 2008, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchellCT

http://www.teamruthless.com/

They are in Manassas, VA.

If you want to get in fighting trim, talk to them.

agreed!

JCook5003, there have been at least two or three threads on this topic in recent weeks in the "tactical training" forum and in the "knives and other weapons" forum, do a search for "martial arts," "hand to hand," etc. and see what you can find.

Matthew Temkin · January 5th, 2008, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchellCT

http://www.teamruthless.com/

They are in Manassas, VA.

If you want to get in fighting trim, talk to them.

I am partial to WW2 combatives myself.
And, along with 7677, I will be teaching combatives and point shooting at this facility on March 8-9

KevinInstructor · January 6th, 2008, 12:20 PM

Several months ago I began offering a one hour training session for several of my students to drill into them base skills always looking for the moment to progress them into ballistic training. This took two months to were these students broke away from “drills” and began adapting to where they really began to react without thinking so much then to think which at times leads into “I did it wrong” and stop. My point is to reinforce what has been said already; you cannot learn this simply taking a class or two but instead must practice regularly. If you fail to practice then expect to have things fall apart on the street more so than if you practice. Watch highly trained athletics who you know are capable of incredible techniques but fall apart while competing. This is no different than skills being discussed in this thread.

What I like to have my students do is adapt as they see fit. For instance, go with the attackers flow then fight against it if possible. Do not learn techniques without dissecting them; understand the concepts and principles behind them rather than just using them. Enter into flow drill out of the normal sequence. Although I teach I still seek more training myself and look to teachers who believe as I just mentioned.

Seek out training, interview the instructor if possible and by all means get yourself a regular training partner and train.

If you carry a gun you should have skills to defend it.

If you do not carry a gun you need empty hand skills to defend yourself.

January 4th, 2008, 10:30 AM	#1
JCook5003 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Blacksburg, Virginia Posts: 113	Hand to Hand Training Ok guys after watching some of those caught on video type shows......and after something I witnessed this New Years Eve, I have decided I need to take a hand to hand type class..... I don’t want to study a formal martial art.....I want to learn to fight off an attacker long enough to run away or employ my firearm.... I think I have been foolish to believe my weapons training was enough and I want to be prepared for the fight and I know it wont go down the way I have pictured it....... I was looking for some kind of seminar or class I could take and learn some good hand to hand techniques and defense....... What do you guys recommend and are there any classes like this over our way in Southwest Virginia. Thanks in advance.

January 4th, 2008, 02:33 PM	#6
rathos Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 258	Look for a weapons retention teacher. Ask the local PD who they use. The guy up here teaches you how to hold onto your weapon by defending off attacks. I thought it was just going to be useful against gun grabs, but it pretty much teaches you how to fend off an attacker, whether or not he is going for your gun. __________________ ‘‘To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.’’ — George Mason

January 6th, 2008, 12:20 PM	#10
KevinInstructor Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 187	Several months ago I began offering a one hour training session for several of my students to drill into them base skills always looking for the moment to progress them into ballistic training. This took two months to were these students broke away from “drills” and began adapting to where they really began to react without thinking so much then to think which at times leads into “I did it wrong” and stop. My point is to reinforce what has been said already; you cannot learn this simply taking a class or two but instead must practice regularly. If you fail to practice then expect to have things fall apart on the street more so than if you practice. Watch highly trained athletics who you know are capable of incredible techniques but fall apart while competing. This is no different than skills being discussed in this thread. What I like to have my students do is adapt as they see fit. For instance, go with the attackers flow then fight against it if possible. Do not learn techniques without dissecting them; understand the concepts and principles behind them rather than just using them. Enter into flow drill out of the normal sequence. Although I teach I still seek more training myself and look to teachers who believe as I just mentioned. Seek out training, interview the instructor if possible and by all means get yourself a regular training partner and train. If you carry a gun you should have skills to defend it. If you do not carry a gun you need empty hand skills to defend yourself. __________________ Stay Safe, Kevin CSSDSD Instructor ACCJT Certified LEO DT Instructor NRA Instructor

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January 4th, 2008, 11:01 AM	#2
David Blinder Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 46	www.insightstraining.com and look at their East coast schedule for unarmed self-defense. They have a 2/16-17 in Quantico and one 4/5-6 in Harrisburg. Their program is top-notch and is perfect for what you describe you are looking for.

January 4th, 2008, 11:27 AM	#3
exactlymypoint Distinguished Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,373	I do not think you are going to learn this in a weekend class. It requires practice to the point of proficiency and then some. My son and I just started a Krav Maga class. I am quite impressed so far. You might want to look into seeing if there is one in your area. Google it as there may be a local instructor near by that is not listed on the national website. http://www.kravmaga.com

January 4th, 2008, 12:07 PM	#5
MitchellCT Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 659	http://www.teamruthless.com/ They are in Manassas, VA. If you want to get in fighting trim, talk to them.

January 4th, 2008, 06:03 PM	#7
kpw Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: PA Posts: 657	Fending of an attacker and fighting are 2 different things. There is no replacement for experience. Every martial art form can give you the tools to be effective. Using them proficiently during an altercation is the hard part. Even a lot of the self defense type dvds can provide you with the tools, if you pick through them. Buy a heavy bag and hit it. Use your elbows and knees... a lot. It won't prepare you for the worst but it will give you something. Weapon retention classes are very useful but it's just a start.