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Old January 12th, 2008, 08:04 PM   #21
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After playing with the thumbs forward a bit I have decided to stay with the thumbs down.
To me it feel more natural and will work with any gun..from a .32 Seecamp on up.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 07:02 AM   #22
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I have tried both techniques, mainly switched to thumbs foward because "the pros use this" this is what I have found out, My follow up shots are quicker, tighter, exception being with my tuarus 92af, yeah what ever, i know thats a beacon for flames if ever there was one, but I like the taurus, for the price, not that I would carry it but its a good solid pistol for the range, but back on target for some reason i shoot the taurus better thumb over thumb, if I ever figure out why Ill let you know.
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And now, strong thumb over weak, pointing forward (I think I have been doing this all along, will find out today)

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I started using the thumbs-forward grip and got the most consistent grip and the most consistent groups instead of patterns. I never had a problem with it biting my hands. The only time I got bit was the first match I was in when I had to switch hands and forgot which thumb was supposed to be around the backstrap. That was messed up operational procedure, not bad operational procedure. Notice how far forward my left/support wrist is rotated, that's a major factor in the consistency and support of this grip style.
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Also, Mr. Jarrett's video has some great tips, not just on grip, but overall stance. Keeping your head up, your weight over your feet and your feet in the proper position and your weight on the balls of your feet instead of your heels, et c. are quite important to consistency along with proper grip. Not to mention he's a fellow Virginian.
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OK, I've been doing this all along. Not quite 100% of what was described, but doing it just the same. Time for some live fire testing.

I am handicapped by big hands and a low profile weapon. My biggest concern is pressure on the slide release. Both thumbs touch it, that and the darn slide mounted safety.
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Thanks, Troy Price. I do shoot Weaver, and that might explain my habit. Still, the close-up photos give the impression that some part of one's hand might contact the slide.
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Thanks, Troy Price. I do shoot Weaver, and that might explain my habit. Still, the close-up photos give the impression that some part of one's hand might contact the slide.
Glad I could help in some small way.

As for the hand touching the slide? Yes and no. The hand is mostly in contact with the grip and the frame. I have students that try to crush their grip and sometimes the upper meaty part of the support hand thumb is near the slide but I haven't seen someone cause a malfunction from it. If you hand winds up on the slide your support hand grip angle may not be the best.

Try this: clap your hands with your arms out in front of you, and away from your body, several times. Look at how your hands come together and how your thumbs end up.

I end up with my thumbs forward. How about you?
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Do you thumbs forward guys and gals also use the thumb forward when one handed shooting?

If not, you're stating you have two separate hand holds, one for one handed and one for two handed shooting?

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