Reborn

Looks like her last line hints toward being some kind of LEO.

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matiki

If only I were so lucky.

I agree... its too bad but just as well. Most of the Federal jobs don't seem to compensate well anyways.

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CelticWarrior13

Don't neccesarily let entry level pay influence your decision. As you rise up the GS scale you make good, decent to really good money (a buddy of mine retired from one agency making very good pay and was handed his credentials in the other hand for another agency...making a substantial increase as basically a contract employee) Plus, depending on what agency you work for you get differentials (and what some would call overtime...but it's paid in lieu of OT as they presume the hours will be worked...and if you work over, oh well!)

I will say that the retirement from what I understand has gone downhill...sadly.

matiki

I suspect I was overly broad in my statement. Geographic location probably affects this. In Seattle, even with the differential (and the assumption that one would rise in the ranks), the compensation is poor compared to SPD or any of the Eastside agencies. On the other hand, I suspect compensation in the midwest, south or anywhere else that the cost of living is less might be quite good in comparison.

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Erik

FLETC is responsible for providing training to some 80-90 odd federal programs, most of which have armed personnel, most of whom begin their training preparing for FLETC's basic course of fire, the Practical Pistol Course (PPC).

The PPC is a 60 round course of fire. FLETC requires shooters to achieve a minimum score of 210; some agencies require shooters to acheive minimum scores of 225 or 240.

Note: Many agencies, and even programs within agencies, have their own courses of fire. Some are taught in lieu of the PPC, some in addition. All are similar in that they serve to test, verify, and document the basic skill sets expected of the shooters. Most are 50-60 round courses of fire from the 1.5 or 3 yard line to the 25 yard line. They are courses of fire the majority of shooters, to include those with no prior firearms experience, can and do pass.

I'll dig around and try to find the PPC course of fire.

And... to prepare for any of them work on:

Your basic marksmanship and pistol manipulation skills. Being able to hit with you intent to, when you intend to, and to be able to clear any malfunctions along the way will put you ahead of the power curve. There are many federal LEOs who are very, very skilled, you just don't have to be when you show up at the Academy gates.

If you're a Modern Technique/ Weaver shooter... work on your modern isosceles stance.

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That said, the best advice I've ever heard given to a prospective fedral LEO, as with prospective state and local LEOs, is not gun related, but to start running if you haven't already done so.

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From the net...

ICE's course of fire:

Target: ICE QT
50 Rounds

Stage 1: 1.5 yards (6 rounds)
Strong hand only from the holster--using bent elbow position
1 round in 2 seconds, 2 rounds in 2 seconds, 3 rounds in 2 seconds

Stage 2: 3 yards (6 rounds)
Point shoulder shooting, emergency reload
3 rounds in 3 seconds, 3 rounds in 3 seconds

Stage 3: 7 yards (6 rounds)
body armor drill
failure drill from holster in 6 seconds, failure drill from high ready in 5 seconds

Stage 4: 7 yards (12 rounds)
one hand shooting--weak and strong hands w/ emergency reload
3 rounds 2 handed, three rounds strong handed in 10 seconds
Repeat with support hand

Stage 5: 15 yards (12 rounds)
2 handed shooting from the standing and kneeling positions
6 rounds standing, kneel, tactical reload, 6 rounds kneeling in 25 seconds

Stage 6: 25 yards (4 rounds)
cover barricade shooting to the right
Move to cover, 2 rounds standing, 2 rounds kneeling in 20 seconds

Stage 7: 25 yards (4 rounds)
cover barricade shooting to the left
Move to cover, 2 rounds standing, 2 rounds kneeling in 20 seconds

MAX score is 250..lowest is 200 (80%)

220-230: Marksman
321-240: Sharpshooter
241-249: Expert
250: Distinguished Expert

Agents are required to requalify four times a year.

There's a modified version for 5 shot revolvers.

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CBP Firearms Instructor Course of Fire:

60 Rounds
(Times similar to above)

Stage 1: 1.5 yards (6 rounds)
Strong hand only from the holster--using bent elbow position

Stage 2: 3 yards (6 rounds)
emergency reload

Stage 3: 7 yards (6 rounds)
body armor drill

Stage 4: 7 yards (6 rounds)
body armor drill

Stage 5: 7 yards (12 rounds)
one hand shooting--weak and strong hands w/ emergency reload

Stage 6: 15 yards (12 rounds)
2 handed shooting from the standing and kneeling positions

Stage 7: 25 yards (4 rounds)
cover barricade shooting to the left

Stage 8: 25 yards (4 rounds)
cover barricade shooting to the right

Stage 9: 25 yards (4 rounds)
cover barricade kneeling shooting to the right

60 rounds, 300 max total

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INS Pistol Course:

1.5 Yards
From holster: 1 round in 2 seconds, 2 rounds in 2 seconds, 3 rounds in 2 seconds.

3 Yards
From holster: 1 round in 3 seconds, 2 rounds in 3 seconds, 3 rounds in 3 seconds.

7 Yards
From holster: 1 round in 3 seconds.
High search: 1 round in 3 seconds.
Then 2 in 3 seconds from each position; then 3 in 3 seconds from each position.

7 Yards
From holster: 2 rounds both hands then 1 round right handed in 6 seconds.
High search: 3 rounds right hand only in 5 seconds.
Reverse for left handed shooting.

15 Yards
Standing, from holster: 1 round in 3 seconds, 2 in 4, 3 in 5, and 4 in 6.
Standing: Draw and fire 2 rounds, kneel while performing emergency reload, and fore 2 rounds all in 12 seconds.
Kneeling, high search: 1 in 2, 2 in 3, 3 in 4.

25 Yards
Move to cover and fire 4 rounds right side standing and 4 rounds right side kneeling in 30 seconds.
Repeat for left side.

50 Yards
Move to cover and fire 3 rounds right side standing, 3 rounds right side kneeling, 3 rounds left side standing, and 3 rounds left side kneeling all in 50 seconds.

This course is arguably the most challenging standard in federal law enforcement.

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FBI Pistol Qualification Course:

***I cannot confirm that this is current... yet***

Target: FBI "Q"
Ammunition: 50 rounds service ammunition
Scoring: Hits in or touching "bottle" count 2 points; misses and hits outside bottle count zero points
Qualification: 85% to qualify; 90% for instructors

STAGE I 18 ROUNDS

Starting Point: 25 yard line
Time Allotted: 75 seconds
Start with a fully loaded weapon. On command shooter draws and fires 6 rounds prone position, decocks, fires 3 rounds strong side kneeling barricade position, 6 rounds strong side standing barricade position, and 3 rounds weak side kneeling barricade position. Upon completing stage I, the shooter will conduct a magazine exchange and holster a loaded weapon.

STAGE II 10 ROUNDS

Starting Point: 25 yard line
Time Allotted: 2 rounds in 6 seconds
4 strings of 2 rounds in 3 seconds each
Start at the 25 yard line. On command the shooter moves to the 15 yard line, draws and fires 2 rounds in 6 seconds, decocks, and returns to low ready. The shooter will fire 4 strings of 2 rounds in 3 seconds, decock and return to low ready after each string. Upon completing Stage II, the shooter holsters a loaded weapon [without reloading unless gun capacity is only 10 rds --ed].

STAGE III 12 ROUNDS

Starting Point: 15 yard line
Time Allotted: 15 seconds
Start at the 15 yard line. On command the shooter moves to the 7 yard line, draws and fires 12 rounds in 15 seconds, to include a reload. Upon completing stage III, the shooter holsters a loaded weapon. Shooter then arranges remaining 10 rounds to have 5 rounds in the weapon and 5 rounds in a spare magazine.

STAGE IV 10 ROUNDS

Starting Point: 7 yard line
Time Allotted: 15 seconds
Start at the 7 yard line. On command the shooter moves to the 5 yard line, draws and fires 5 rounds with strong hand only, reloads, tranfers the weapon to weak hand and fires 5 rounds weak hand only. Upon completing stage IV, the shooter will unload and holster an empty weapon.

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Erik

The above are fairly representative of federal LEO standards.

I dug up the Gunsite Standard for comparison, though I am not sure of these are minimum times, expert times, etc. Anyone whose been care to weigh in?

The Gunsite Standard:

From a concealed holster, facing a single IPSC target.

3 yds 1 round head shot 1.5 sec
3 yds 2 rounds A-zone 1.5 sec
7 yds 2 rounds A-zone 1.5 sec
10 yds 2 rounds A-zone 2.0 sec
10 yds 2 rds, speedload, 2 rds A-zone 5.0 sec
15 yds 2 rounds A-zone 3.5 sec
25 yds 2 rounds A-zone 7.0 sec

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SIXTO

If thats the case, the best advice I can give is not to mess with pistols until she gets hired and trained by the agency she is going to work for. As an LEO firearms guy, with military, federal and local LEO experience, shooters and people who think they have prepared and know what they are doing have a far tougher time qualifying than those who are completely green. They also end up better shooters in the long run because they have started with a solid foundation, not some silliness grandpa taught them in the backyard.

Just my opinion based on fact and real world experiences, debate among yourselves if you wish.

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Daniella

I want to get some serious training..something that will push be and give me a fight for my training..thats all..