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Old May 6th, 2008, 07:31 AM   #21
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I want to get some serious training..something that will push be and give me a fight for my training..thats all..
There are many schools that can give you the training you need. Find you a cop that needs a buddy (swat team member would be a plus) and let him teach you. Just my nickels worth.
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Old May 6th, 2008, 09:42 AM   #22
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I want to get some serious training..something that will push be and give me a fight for my training..thats all..
Thats great, but there is a huge difference between training and qualification, like the course posted already. I doubt you will ever find a complete training outline for an L.E. agency, its just one of those things that shouldnt be public knowledge. Some are great, most are pathetic.

Anyway, there are tons of great courses you can take to gain skills needed. Pick one close to home and ask here, I'm sure somebody will have something to say about it before you drop your cash.

Latching on to an LEO might be a good thing, but good luck with that. Finding one that is both willing and able might be a bit of a pipe dream.
I'm sod to say that most LEO might know how to qualify, but their pistol craft outright sucks. A SWAT or narcotics team member will be better, but there are a lot of them that are train wrecks too.
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Old May 6th, 2008, 10:20 AM   #23
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"...but there is a huge difference between training and qualification, like the course posted already. "

Indeed. The courses I posted reflect only the speed and accuracy minimum standards a given shooter must be able to perform, on demand, to keep the job. There is much more to it.

"...shooters and people who think they have prepared and know what they are doing have a far tougher time qualifying than those who are completely green."

Maybe. It is certainly the party line among many trainers. And while it is true that much of a an Academy firearms instructor's time is spent coding over bad habits with good ones, many (most?) of the Academy's best shooters arrived that way.

It all comes down to the habits...aquiring good ones is a advantage; bad ones a disadvantage. Knowing which are which is the million dollar question.
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Old May 6th, 2008, 12:23 PM   #24
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My Federal Qualifications are easier than my last State Qual years ago, I'm sorry to say.

If you are wanting a "Standard" to train to look at attending a "School" like Gunsite, LFI or some other similar school. Another good way to train, and keep current in your practicing is to shoot various IPSC and IDPA matches.

LFI1 does a "Police Style" Qualification Course to graduate. If you have never shot a gun it's easier to teach you the proper methods,, I know from personal expirience both teaching and being a student.

Right now FLETC has taken some of the tactics from the games and has incorporated them in to their teachings. I shoot Weaver and have for years. When I was at FLETC I had one of the Instructors constantly kicking my foot as I was shooting, to get me in to the Iso position. In the real world I shoot Weaver, and have presented my weapon in Weaver more than once because that's how I train.

The game techniques work, no doubt about it, it's just that I'm "old school" and refuse to change what works for me. When I qualify they don't care if I shoot Weaver or Iso, just that I pass since I'm no longer at FLETC. In short FLETC has taken the best of the games and real life results and tried to encorporate it in their teaching. It is designed for people that don't have a lot of expirience and works very well. The problems come when you have expirienced shooters with years of expirience, like me, but even us "old dogs" can pass the test there I'm happy to say.

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Old May 6th, 2008, 02:27 PM   #25
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Again from the net...

The LFI Single Speed Drill:
(Not their "qual," I couldn't find it.)

On a Standard B-27 Target

4 yards - Low Ready, weak hand only, 6 shots: 8 seconds
4 yards - Holstered weapon, strong hand only, 6 shots: 8 seconds
7 yards - Freestyle from ready position, 6 shots - reload - 6 shots: 25 seconds
10 yards - Cover Crouch, High Kneel, Low Kneel; 6 reload - 6 reload - 6 shots: 75 seconds
15 yards - Weaver Stance, Chapman Stance, Isosceles Stance; 6 reload - 6 reload, 6 shots: 90 seconds

The double speed drill... just cut the times in half.

Look correct?

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Arguably THE common "benchmark" , El Presidente:

Setup: three IPSC targets, spaced one yard apart, 10 yards distant.

Starting Position: gun holstered, spare magazine on belt, hands held above shoulders (surrender position), facing away (180 degrees) from targets.

Drill: At the signal, turn and draw, firing two shots into the A-zone of each target. Reload, and fire two more shots into each target.

As originally specified*, the drill only counts if all shots are in the A-zone. A missed A-zone counts as a missed target.

Time is measured from the start signal to the last shot fired.

The original API (American Pistol Institute) par time was 10 seconds.

The best in the world are currently pursuing 3.0 seconds clean. That... is... smoking... fast...

*In competition, all hits on the target usually count, with scoring penalties applied.

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Note: These benchmarks apply to students completing training, not beginning it. Think of them as intermediate benchamarks, if that helps. Don't woryr if you fall short of them. Everyone starts somewhere, after all.
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"...but there is a huge difference between training and qualification, like the course posted already. "

Indeed. The courses I posted reflect only the speed and accuracy minimum standards a given shooter must be able to perform, on demand, to keep the job. There is much more to it.

"...shooters and people who think they have prepared and know what they are doing have a far tougher time qualifying than those who are completely green."

Maybe. It is certainly the party line among many trainers. And while it is true that much of a an Academy firearms instructor's time is spent coding over bad habits with good ones, many (most?) of the Academy's best shooters arrived that way.

It all comes down to the habits...aquiring good ones is a advantage; bad ones a disadvantage. Knowing which are which is the million dollar question.

Indeed, I agree with all this, as there are exceptions to every rule; the shooter that walks through the door a good shooter is the exception.
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