Daniella

Is there anyone that knows what any federal agency (ATF,DEA,ICE)
needs to train towards when it comes to handgun training?

Was just wondering if anyone had any links so i can have something to train towards..

thanks

matiki

Supposedly this is what FAM guidelines are:

The Gun Zone -- Federal Air Marshal Firearms Qualification Course

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Supertac45

It sucks that 37 is the cut off age.

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matiki

LEO's can get an exemption. For example, let's say you're 45 but you've been a cop for 8 years... 45 - 8 = 37.

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TheGreatGonzo

Matiki,
This is NOT a carry over from the "Did I do the right thing thread...". However, being a prior law enforcement officer is not an exemption to the 37 age limit. It has to do with the mandatory 57 retirement age for persons covered under federal law enforcement retirement (commonly referred to as "6c"). You MUST retire at 57 and you MUST have a minimum of 20 years of service to get law enforcement retirement. That is where the max 37 age limit for entry comes from. The only exemptions come from a executive waiver and it is generally done agency wide. For instance, Air Marshals did (and I believe still do) have a waiver for up to 40 years of age. I believe that Border Patrol is operating under the same +3 waiver right now as well as the US Secret Service Uniformed Division. But it has nothing to do with prior law enforcement experience. The only way prior law enforcement helps you out with the age issue is if that experience was as a 6c covered federal law enforcement officer.

Keep in mind that not all federal law enforcement is covered under 6c, which means there are several agencies that do not require retirement at 57 (therefore no 37 entry age limit). In my opinion, the biggest problem the 37/57 presents is it keeps you from drawing from an incredibly talented, experienced, and well trained work force...the military. Guys retire from the military with 20 years and they are often 1 year to old to enter covered federal law enforcement. That sucks and works against an effective system. It really needs to be changed.
Gonzo

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TheGreatGonzo

Daniella,
Each agency has different qualification requirements and courses. In fact, most even use a different target. Very few federal agencies post their firearms qual courses for public consumption. You might find one or two, like the FAM course, that are floating in cyberspace. Generally speaking, federal firearms qualifying courses are very similar to those used by local and state agencies. And most federal agencies (but not all) qualify on a quarterly basis. I know of at least two that require montly qualifications.
Gonzo

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SIXTO

I know what a few are in detail, but I'm also wondering why she wants to know.

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CelticWarrior13

The Great Gonzo knows of what he speaks (he knows me from another spot if he recalls it - though I haven't been there for a long, long time! Hope you're doing well Gonzo! Still where you were?)

By the way...unless they've rechanged it as Gonzo pointed out, you can go to work as a F.A.M. as long as you're appointed before your 40th birthday. (after 9/11/2001 they raised the age limit for C.A.S.S. to 40) (I wasn't aware of the U.S.B.P. and U.S.S.S./U.D. raising theirs but I can see it, especially the Border Patrol...but for me that's too old to be going through FLETC and running around the desert S.W.)

matiki

Thanks Gonzo, I stand corrected. I must have filled in the blanks from a conversation with a FAM with some faulty information.

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TheGreatGonzo

It's those 3 martini lunches that are confusing you. It really is a flawed system. There are a lot of outstanding candidates, particularly retired military, who are 38 when they enter the law enforcement job market. As a result, federal law enforcement misses out on them and they get gobbled up by local and state agencies. A truly senseless loss for the feds (but a nice gain for the state and local agencies).
Gonzo

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