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Old August 23rd, 2006, 03:03 PM   #1
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is it the ammo or the shooter?

NEWBIE QUESTION:

i regularly practice with winchester white box 9mm 115gr rounds (yea -- the 100 round box is the ONLY thing i buy from wal-mart). most days, i can shoot these very consistently at the range.

i've been trying to shoot my self defense rounds to get a feel for them and with both, i consistently shoot to the left (9-o'clock) of center. i've tried federal hydrashock and magsafe rounds with the same result.

someone at the range suggested that shooting expensive rounds (especially the magsafe!) is taking a psychological toll and that maybe i'm getting nervous or otherwise changing how i shoot without knowing.

does this happen or are can the ballistic characteristics of the rounds be THAT different?

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Old August 23rd, 2006, 03:16 PM   #2
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How far to the left and at what range?
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 03:17 PM   #3
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IMHO, you get what you pay for - but its possible that the ammo will change firing characteristics. I'm not an ammo expert, just my guess.
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How far to the left and at what range?
at 7 yards, they (hydrashocks and magsafes) shoot about 4-5 inches to the left of my group left by the WWB. this is pretty big IMHO.

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at 7 yards, they (hydrashocks and magsafes) shoot about 4-5 inches to the left of my group left by the WWB.
I think its a safe assumption that it is the shooter. It is not uncommon for the point of impact of rounds of different design, weight or manufacture to vary, but the variance is usually limited to a few inches at 25 yards.

Just out of curiousity, what brand/model of firearm are you using and what type of sights does it have?
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 03:52 PM   #6
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4 to 5 inches probably means one thing: Operator Error

Have someone else load two magazines with different ammo. One with the WWB and the other with whatever floats your boat. Let them hand you the loaded gun without you knowing which ammo is in use and see how you do. It's kinda like a Jedi mind trick but without the cool cape.

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4 to 5 inches probably means one thing: Operator Error

Have someone else load two magazines with different ammo. One with the WWB and the other with whatever floats your boat. Let them hand you the loaded gun without you knowing which ammo is in use and see how you do. It's kinda like a Jedi mind trick but without the cool cape.
haha! i'll give this a try!

i'm using an H&K USPc 9mm with the stock sights. i'd bet i'm psyching myself out.

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Ditto:
There is no ammo that will hit that radically to the left at only 21 feet.

Try having somebody mix up the ammo in your magazines. Shoot a few mixed ammo magazines & you'll have your answer.

You'll lick that problem in no time.
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i'm using an H&K USPc 9mm with the stock sights. i'd bet i'm psyching myself out.
Decent ammo in a decent gun should yield decent results. Sorry to say, I think it is you.

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Have someone else load two magazines with different ammo. One with the WWB and the other with whatever floats your boat. Let them hand you the loaded gun without you knowing which ammo is in use and see how you do.
If you do not have another person, you can load your magazines with a mixture of ball and JHP.
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Also some dryfire drills might help ID what you are doing. Try having someone else load (or not and hand you the gun. Loaded mag sometimes empty chamber. ) Watch the sights after the shot. where are the sights pointed?
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