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Old October 19th, 2006, 06:50 PM   #1
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Exclamation Need help with Non +p .38

I have some .38 revolvers that are not +P rated. I don't use them for SD, but if I ever wanted to, I am looking for info on factory loads for defensive use. Links and info to back up recomendations is preferred, but not required. I am up to date on .357 and 38+p so that info is not needed. I also own other caliber weapons besides 38, so I don't want any "you aught to git you a (enter other caliber here)" comments

This will just help speed up my "hobby" search on the subject.
I know there are a lot of people with vast knowledge on this board and am looking forward to reading your recomendations.

Thanks, in advance.
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Old October 19th, 2006, 07:29 PM   #2
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http://www.remington.com/products/am.../remington.asp

38 Special R38S16 110 SJHP is suppose to be equal to the 125 gr 38 + P Load.

http://www.federalcartridge.com/ball...mo_Search.aspx
This is Federals Hydro shock for the 38 spl.

If you notice, the trend is to decrease bullet weight with decrease pressure to maintan velocities. With all that said the old FBI 38 spl load was a158 gr semi wad cutter going slow. I do not know a link to this but I do have some reloading data on it if you are interested.
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Old October 19th, 2006, 07:35 PM   #3
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You have to do some searching but I recently saw some of the old style "FBI" load available, 158 gr SWCHP in both non +p and +p. It has done well in testing except when penetrating heavy layers of fabric.
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158 gr SWCHP in both non +p and +p.
Thanks ELCruisr for the correction I left off the hollow point (which is the best)part
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I forget for sure but - go check Steve Camp's site - http://www.highpowersandhanguns.com/
He has done a lot of sampling of ammo including .38 for snubs and IIRC has good results from a Rem load with a lead SWC or similar.
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That link doesn't seem to work Chris.

Thanks to everyone else so far, and keep it coming. I want as much info as possible.

Two have mentioned the FBI load, but it is m understanding that it is traditionally +P. Correct me if I'm wrong, the hey day of that round was before my time. Though I agree that it is hard to beat from what I have read.
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Sorry about the link - I had "high" instead of "hi'' and missed out the ''d'' from handguns - do try it now.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/
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Try Blackhills ammo web site! Its good stuff and not to spendy.
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I think it was either Midway or Natchez that had the FBI Loads in stock. IIRC they could be had either +P or non +P.
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non +P

Based on my very limited testing in wet newspaper and such, I like the 110gr Hydra Shok in .38. I used the 110gr Silvertip years ago, it wasn't +P, but I haven't seen it lately. I heard a rumor that Cor-Bon would make the DPX in a non +P, but they don't list it. All they list is a non +P GLaser. I'm lucky to be hoarding a few boxes of Nyclad 125gr .38, and I'll use those until they're gone. Best ever. I didn't know anyone was loading a 158gr LSWCHP non +P, but the +P doesn't expand very big from a snub, don't know how a non +P would perform. Sure would like to test one.
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