Extreme Shock Ammunition - Page 6

Pylon · March 3rd, 2005, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1Zach1

Ok, I know this post took a bit of a turn, but Ammo Lab did some testing on Extreme Shock Ammo..yeah...

good post Zach. i guess AmmoLab really put a stop to all us people wondering about Extreme Shock Ammo.

Me personally, i just like sticking to tried and true stuff from name brand manufacturers. i just can't see myself buying from a company that advertises their stuff with guys dressed in everything "tacticle" possible to the point where stuff is just getting in their way.

And this might just be my messed up mind thinking this, but it sure does look to me like in ever single ad they put out, these SWAT looking guys are always just coming out of some sort of explosion. This ammo just looks like its aimed towards the mall ninja's to me.

kevmullins · March 3rd, 2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bumper

We saw this ammunition at the SHOT Show and while it looked like it would be effective in a defensive situation, the resulting fragmented round (mostly very small particles and "dustlike" material) doesn't look like something I would want to use on an animal I was going to eat. I like venison, but grit (not grits) is normally avoided in my diet. Does the fragmented round in reality make the mess that the display in their marketing materials?

In the one (and only one) deer that I took with this stuff, the fragmantation occured inside the animal with no material found in the shoulder (the hit was behind the left shoulder and kinda low). The round tore up a lot of the vitals to include heart and lungs and produced no exit wound.

I will say that I haven't used the stuff any more during hunting season. Not that it didn't do the job, I just don't really see his stuff as hunting ammo (I like exit wounds with good blood trails). It's also very expensive to shoot much on my budget. Like someone else stated...he's marketing this stuff for SWAT which kinda limits its uses to me. I do have some of the .38 Spl I carry in a derringer though....

cls12vg30 · March 3rd, 2005, 04:53 PM

I currently have MagSafe Defenders as the chamber round and top round in the mag in my carry guns. Below that I keep four Cor-Bon JHP's, with the bottom of the mag and spare mag being good-quality FMJ's.

Having tested the Magsafes, Cor-bons, Gold Dots, and several other brands at the range, this is the loadout that I have become comfortable with.

If I ever have to actually fire my weapon at an attacker, I do not plan on firing only once. My reasoning for topping off with the Magsafes is A) safety, minimized danger of ricochet & overpenetration and B) extreme velocity. The recoil and report from a .380 Magsafe feels more like a .40. (The recoil and report from the hard-to-find Magsafe 7.62x25's has to be experienced. Suffice to say the muzzle flame was over two feet long from a CZ-52)
I don't expect them to penetrate significantly, I merely hope to maximize the shock factor to the assailant with those first two shots and hopefully convince him to alter his plans for the evening. If the assailant's actions require me to continue firing, the Cor-Bons seem to be the hottest JHP defense loads out there. (In fact they make about the only .380 +p I've seen).

If after four Cor-bons have exited the barrel, there is still a threat, it's time to depend on maximum penetration, and take the risk of ricochet and/or overpenetration, hence the FMJ's.

Of course, in an actually shooting scenario, I don't expect my brain to be capable of considering what type of ammo I am firing or even how many shots have been fired, most likely. I would expect my brain in that situation to not be able to rationally process anything but "Is the attacker on the ground?" No = pull trigger again. Yes = cease fire.
This is why it seems logical to me to think through the ammo load and sequence of rounds in advance.

After reading some of the posts here, though, I'm considering swapping out those Magsafes for Glasers.

ExSoldier · March 3rd, 2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cls12vg30

I currently have MagSafe Defenders as the chamber round and top round in the mag in my carry guns. Below that I keep four Cor-Bon JHP's, with the bottom of the mag and spare mag being good-quality FMJ's.

Having tested the Magsafes, Cor-bons, Gold Dots, and several other brands at the range, this is the loadout that I have become comfortable with.

If I ever have to actually fire my weapon at an attacker, I do not plan on firing only once. I would expect my brain in that situation to not be able to rationally process anything but "Is the attacker on the ground?" No = pull trigger again. Yes = cease fire.
This is why it seems logical to me to think through the ammo load and sequence of rounds in advance.

After reading some of the posts here, though, I'm considering swapping out those Magsafes for Glasers.

I have to agree with you on almost all counts. I do exactly the same thing....sorta. I load my entire primary mag with only MagSafe (.45ACP 68gr SuperSwat) and my backup mags with Federal 185gr Hydra-Shok or CorBon or something similar. I also like Glaser...but only the SILVER line and not "Blue."

Have you tried a brand called RBCD? http://www.rbcd.net They ain't cheap...but when it's ONE SHOT between you and the END.....

cls12vg30 · March 3rd, 2005, 08:24 PM

I checked out the website, Soldier. Those bullet weights seem awfully light, but it's something to think about.

What exactly is the difference between the Glaser Silvers and Blues? I'm very interested in them, as I recall they were the first players in the frangible market.

acparmed · March 3rd, 2005, 08:37 PM

the Glaser Silver user a larger shot than the Glaser Blue. I think it's #9 shot vs. #12 shot, respectively.

ExSoldier · March 3rd, 2005, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cls12vg30

I checked out the website, Soldier. Those bullet weights seem awfully light, but it's something to think about.

What exactly is the difference between the Glaser Silvers and Blues? I'm very interested in them, as I recall they were the first players in the frangible market.

Glaser Blue has little penetration it uses #12 shot in a resin substance and it's been known to prefragment on a heavy leather jacket. I think Glaser Siver uses either #6 or #9 shot and there is some form of more controlled fragmentation resulting in a deeper penetration. I've heard of Silver going through a side window on a car and still having penetration into a BG.

You might try looking around the RBCD site. Some impressive pics and have you ever heard of a 45 screaming along at over 2000fps?

KC135 · March 4th, 2005, 06:04 PM

Simple--instead of guessing, go to Cor Bon's site and look at the Glaser stuff.

Tommygunner45 · July 24th, 2005, 10:49 PM

The filler is not plastic, I cut one in half and here is the picture I took of it, The filler is tiny beads of materal pressed hard, It was almost like graphite, Very silver in color,
Paul

dboutwell · December 20th, 2006, 01:37 AM

Lol, Ex Marshal

Would Not Want To Be On Plane, Even With Just One Shot Thru It,,,,,,,,,, They Made Us A Round Just For Planes !

March 3rd, 2005, 04:53 PM	#53
cls12vg30 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 67	I currently have MagSafe Defenders as the chamber round and top round in the mag in my carry guns. Below that I keep four Cor-Bon JHP's, with the bottom of the mag and spare mag being good-quality FMJ's. Having tested the Magsafes, Cor-bons, Gold Dots, and several other brands at the range, this is the loadout that I have become comfortable with. If I ever have to actually fire my weapon at an attacker, I do not plan on firing only once. My reasoning for topping off with the Magsafes is A) safety, minimized danger of ricochet & overpenetration and B) extreme velocity. The recoil and report from a .380 Magsafe feels more like a .40. (The recoil and report from the hard-to-find Magsafe 7.62x25's has to be experienced. Suffice to say the muzzle flame was over two feet long from a CZ-52) I don't expect them to penetrate significantly, I merely hope to maximize the shock factor to the assailant with those first two shots and hopefully convince him to alter his plans for the evening. If the assailant's actions require me to continue firing, the Cor-Bons seem to be the hottest JHP defense loads out there. (In fact they make about the only .380 +p I've seen). If after four Cor-bons have exited the barrel, there is still a threat, it's time to depend on maximum penetration, and take the risk of ricochet and/or overpenetration, hence the FMJ's. Of course, in an actually shooting scenario, I don't expect my brain to be capable of considering what type of ammo I am firing or even how many shots have been fired, most likely. I would expect my brain in that situation to not be able to rationally process anything but "Is the attacker on the ground?" No = pull trigger again. Yes = cease fire. This is why it seems logical to me to think through the ammo load and sequence of rounds in advance. After reading some of the posts here, though, I'm considering swapping out those Magsafes for Glasers. __________________ "Terrorists don't seem to be too afraid of stern language. But I do notice, that while the fear of death does not seem to deter these people, the fact of BEING dead does significantly decrease their operational effectiveness. " - Bill Whittle Last edited by cls12vg30; March 3rd, 2005 at 04:57 PM.

March 3rd, 2005, 08:24 PM	#55
cls12vg30 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 67	I checked out the website, Soldier. Those bullet weights seem awfully light, but it's something to think about. What exactly is the difference between the Glaser Silvers and Blues? I'm very interested in them, as I recall they were the first players in the frangible market. __________________ "Terrorists don't seem to be too afraid of stern language. But I do notice, that while the fear of death does not seem to deter these people, the fact of BEING dead does significantly decrease their operational effectiveness. " - Bill Whittle Last edited by cls12vg30; March 3rd, 2005 at 08:28 PM.

March 3rd, 2005, 08:37 PM	#56
acparmed 1952 - 2006 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,371	the Glaser Silver user a larger shot than the Glaser Blue. I think it's #9 shot vs. #12 shot, respectively. __________________ Heroes are people who do what has to be done, when it has to be done, regardless of the consequences "I like when the enemy shoots at me; then I know where the ****** are and can kill them." ~George Patton DE OPPRESSO LIBER**

March 4th, 2005, 06:04 PM	#58
KC135 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 742	Simple--instead of guessing, go to Cor Bon's site and look at the Glaser stuff. __________________ Keep the shotgun handy!!

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December 20th, 2006, 01:37 AM	#60
dboutwell Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: streamwood il. Posts: 33	Lol, Ex Marshal Would Not Want To Be On Plane, Even With Just One Shot Thru It,,,,,,,,,, They Made Us A Round Just For Planes !