Extreme Shock Ammunition

Bumper · February 1st, 2005, 02:13 AM

Anyone ever used any of this ammunition? We talked to one of the reps at the SHOT Show and picked up some of their material. Their claim is that the wound channel is up to 200x the size of the projectile. It is a wicked looking round made of compressed Tungsten-NyTrilium Composite. I had never heard of it before....

Extreme Shock Website

silvercorvette · February 1st, 2005, 10:10 AM

The sale price is listed at $83.64 I wonder what the regular price is? I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying that stuff till I ran a few boxes through my gun to see how it functioned. $80 is a small price to pay where your life is concerned but I need to have more proof before I spend that kind of money. I don’t hunt but I would love to see someone that does use this stuff and report back with the results. At these prices that is probably the only way we will get to see what this stuff does on real flesh and bone because I can’t see any departments running out to buy this stuff.
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45ACP185FF50
45ACP 185gr Tungsten-Nytrilium Fragmentable Explosive Entry Fang Face Round(Jacketed Hollow Point) - 1150fps - 50 Round Box $83.64SALE
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APachon · February 1st, 2005, 12:31 PM

Bummer no 230gr Ext Shock rds. I would not mind giving these a go. Bumper I talked to the guys&gals over at PMC about their El Dorado sTarfire round and that is what I am going to test next.

APachon · February 1st, 2005, 12:34 PM

The Air Freedom rd does sound very promising for Air Marshalls.

Quote:

This remarkable round is the terrorists worst nightmare. Under most circumstances, the AFR (Air Freedom Round) will not penetrate the skin of conventional aircraft, causing a decompression. It is also designed to not penetrate the aluminum backs of most airline seats, reducing potential collateral damage in the event of a shootout at 30,000 feet. Unlike rounds made of polymers that can generate lethal ricochet, the Extreme Shock AFR round will turn to harmless powder if it misses its intended target and hits a hard surface. It is the only round in the world with this level of performance and safety. This is also possibly the world's safest home defense round, as in most circumstances, it will fragment in standard 1 half-inch sheet rock wallboard. This bullet runs at plus-P type pressures, and should be used only in firearms of good construction and good working order.

silvercorvette · February 1st, 2005, 12:48 PM

One shot through the skin of an aircraft will not cause any noticable decompression. It would most likley take a couple hundred rounds to do it. That whole decompression thing is a Hollywood myth.

APachon · February 1st, 2005, 12:54 PM

I would not want to chance it. But thanks for teh info, I was not aware of that.

rocky · February 1st, 2005, 01:09 PM

I would worry about under pentration thru heavy clothes as well as controlled expansion/ wt . retention.

clubsoda22 · February 1st, 2005, 03:31 PM

read their websight and you'll realize it just a mall ninja round designed to be purchaced by people who's ony gun experiance is playing counterstrike.

NyTrillium? It's a made up word. It's nitrile, a type of plastic. It's as high tech as a pair of exam gloves at the doctors office

It's just another prefragmented round with a lot of hype attached to it. Like all other pre-frags, i would expect poor penetration and overall lousy terminal ballistics.

APachon · February 1st, 2005, 03:33 PM

nice info CLubsoda. Glad someone had knowledge on this topic and these rounds.

~A

clubsoda22 · February 1st, 2005, 03:46 PM

I'm not even kidding, this is right off their websight:

"E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system."

first off, what the **** is a density mass.

Secondly, their expanding cone of death is no more than tiny bits of plastic.

Third, the only way to cause the CNS to collapse is to destroy it, which these limited penetration rounds will fail to do when fired in to an average size human. Your defensive ammo should penetrate deep enough, at any angle, to sever the spine. Buy a quality hollowpoint from a known manufacturer.

Finally, energy transfer does not equal stopping power. This is a dead school of thought.

February 1st, 2005, 02:13 AM	#1
Bumper Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 14,214	Extreme Shock Ammunition Anyone ever used any of this ammunition? We talked to one of the reps at the SHOT Show and picked up some of their material. Their claim is that the wound channel is up to 200x the size of the projectile. It is a wicked looking round made of compressed Tungsten-NyTrilium Composite. I had never heard of it before.... Extreme Shock Website __________________ Bumper Administrator DefensiveCarry.com Forum Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde; Beware the anger of a patient man.

February 1st, 2005, 12:31 PM	#3
APachon Forum Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,091	Bummer no 230gr Ext Shock rds. I would not mind giving these a go. Bumper I talked to the guys&gals over at PMC about their El Dorado sTarfire round and that is what I am going to test next. __________________ Fave Quotes The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live!!! All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. Henry Ward Beecher

February 1st, 2005, 12:54 PM	#6
APachon Forum Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,091	I would not want to chance it. But thanks for teh info, I was not aware of that. __________________ Fave Quotes The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live!!! All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. Henry Ward Beecher

February 1st, 2005, 03:33 PM	#9
APachon Forum Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,091	nice info CLubsoda. Glad someone had knowledge on this topic and these rounds. ~A __________________ Fave Quotes The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live!!! All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. Henry Ward Beecher

February 1st, 2005, 03:46 PM	#10
clubsoda22 Membership Revoked Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 177	I'm not even kidding, this is right off their websight: "E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system." first off, what the **** is a density mass. Secondly, their expanding cone of death is no more than tiny bits of plastic. Third, the only way to cause the CNS to collapse is to destroy it, which these limited penetration rounds will fail to do when fired in to an average size human. Your defensive ammo should penetrate deep enough, at any angle, to sever the spine. Buy a quality hollowpoint from a known manufacturer. Finally, energy transfer does not equal stopping power. This is a dead school of thought. Last edited by clubsoda22; February 1st, 2005 at 03:48 PM.

February 1st, 2005, 10:10 AM	#2
silvercorvette Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 128	The sale price is listed at $83.64 I wonder what the regular price is? I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying that stuff till I ran a few boxes through my gun to see how it functioned. $80 is a small price to pay where your life is concerned but I need to have more proof before I spend that kind of money. I don’t hunt but I would love to see someone that does use this stuff and report back with the results. At these prices that is probably the only way we will get to see what this stuff does on real flesh and bone because I can’t see any departments running out to buy this stuff. ************************************************ **** 45ACP185FF50 45ACP 185gr Tungsten-Nytrilium Fragmentable Explosive Entry Fang Face Round(Jacketed Hollow Point) - 1150fps - 50 Round Box $83.64SALE ********************************************** ******

February 1st, 2005, 12:48 PM	#5
silvercorvette Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 128	One shot through the skin of an aircraft will not cause any noticable decompression. It would most likley take a couple hundred rounds to do it. That whole decompression thing is a Hollywood myth.

February 1st, 2005, 01:09 PM	#7
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 11,734	I would worry about under pentration thru heavy clothes as well as controlled expansion/ wt . retention.

February 1st, 2005, 03:31 PM	#8
clubsoda22 Membership Revoked Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 177	read their websight and you'll realize it just a mall ninja round designed to be purchaced by people who's ony gun experiance is playing counterstrike. NyTrillium? It's a made up word. It's nitrile, a type of plastic. It's as high tech as a pair of exam gloves at the doctors office It's just another prefragmented round with a lot of hype attached to it. Like all other pre-frags, i would expect poor penetration and overall lousy terminal ballistics.

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