Federal 'Tactical Bonded' .45 water test.....(pics) - Page 2

lexington86 · June 16th, 2007, 12:39 PM

Wow, they aren't kidding when they say "bonded".

Those are great results!

Edit: Do they make those in 9mm?

Smitty908 · June 16th, 2007, 05:34 PM

Lex,

Yes, they make a 124gr. and a 135gr. version in 9mm both +P.

-Tim

Alien Nation · June 16th, 2007, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRT

The HST opens both larger and with higher reliability after encountering heavy clothing than gold dot. The bonded bullet only does better after safety glass whereas the HST does better in all other scenarios. HST aint bad through glass either. The HSTs also look to have a sharper upset profile than gold dot.

If you have a thing for bonded bullets, go with the Fed Tactical over Gold Dot. Again, the Tactical round opens more reliably.

I don't doubt the HST is going to be a great round. It' will have to prove itself to me in repeated clothing over water tests first though. I have tested Gild Dot's in several calibers and they always expanded. Even through the heavy clothing tests. The Gold Dot's reliable expansion for me is what all new comers aspire to.

jbrooks175 · June 16th, 2007, 07:06 PM

Nice pics...

I've never been a big fan of water-tests, the expanded bullets always look sp pristine and don't reflect reality. In the "old days" I pushed some Black Talons thru water, and they looked great. But real world results were rather mediocre.

I test bullets in pork meat from the butcher, bones and all, and sometimes covered with clothing. Everything looks different then.

My carry load is now the Hornady FPD 230 gr. +P. But, Frankly, any of the modern bullets will do a good job. I used Golden Sabers but because of their tendency to separate jackets, I'm leaning more towards bondeds. Gold Dots perform well for me also.

I will try to get some of these new HSTs and check them in meat... will post pics when I do.

JWB

lexington86 · June 16th, 2007, 08:29 PM

I can't seem to find these Federal Bonded rounds anywhere on Federal's website?

Where can I find this ammo?

paratroop23 · June 16th, 2007, 08:34 PM

Looking forward to those result jbrooks175.....I bet the HSTs will be on par if not slightly better!! Like I mentioned earlier, the HST, Tactical Bonded, and Gold Dots are all made by the same company. CCI Speer and Federal are sharing technology. Check out the Speer Shotgun rounds....they use the same FliteControl design as the Federal Premium LE 12 Ga Shotgun rounds. Don't the pictures of the GoldDots and HSTs look very similar?

paratroop23 · June 16th, 2007, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lexington86

I can't seem to find these Federal Bonded rounds anywhere on Federal's website?

Where can I find this ammo?

Info here----> www.le.atk.com/

Purchase here---->http://www.streichers.com/ProductLis...s=ItemPriceASC

paratroop23 · June 16th, 2007, 08:42 PM

Or you can purchase it here, but he's out of the Federal Tactical Bonded 230gr until August.

www.mahsupplies.net/

lexington86 · June 16th, 2007, 10:17 PM

Cool, thanks for the links.

Ping Ping · June 18th, 2007, 01:31 PM

It looks as though that gang of water jugs has made it further south. In my confrontation, they were wearing two layers of denim (it was cooler here at the time) and the rounds I retrieved looked nearly identical to your results. I only tested the HST2 in 45acp. It opened fully and consistently in every perp.

June 16th, 2007, 12:39 PM	#11
lexington86 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 27	Wow, they aren't kidding when they say "bonded". Those are great results! Edit: Do they make those in 9mm? __________________ ~Lex "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned." - Pennsylvania Constitution, Section 21 Dramatic Hamster (my avatar) Last edited by lexington86; June 16th, 2007 at 12:40 PM.. Reason: addition

June 16th, 2007, 08:29 PM	#15
lexington86 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 27	I can't seem to find these Federal Bonded rounds anywhere on Federal's website? Where can I find this ammo? __________________ ~Lex "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned." - Pennsylvania Constitution, Section 21 Dramatic Hamster (my avatar)

June 16th, 2007, 10:17 PM	#19
lexington86 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 27	Cool, thanks for the links. __________________ ~Lex "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned." - Pennsylvania Constitution, Section 21 Dramatic Hamster (my avatar)

June 18th, 2007, 01:31 PM	#20
Ping Ping Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Old Dominion Posts: 425	Violent Water Jug Gangs It looks as though that gang of water jugs has made it further south. In my confrontation, they were wearing two layers of denim (it was cooler here at the time) and the rounds I retrieved looked nearly identical to your results. I only tested the HST2 in 45acp. It opened fully and consistently in every perp. __________________ "Happiness, is a warm gun" -St. John of Liverpool Proud to be an infidel.

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June 16th, 2007, 05:34 PM	#12
Smitty908 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wetumpka, AL Posts: 63	Lex, Yes, they make a 124gr. and a 135gr. version in 9mm both +P. -Tim

June 16th, 2007, 07:06 PM	#14
jbrooks175 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: AL Posts: 15	Nice pics... I've never been a big fan of water-tests, the expanded bullets always look sp pristine and don't reflect reality. In the "old days" I pushed some Black Talons thru water, and they looked great. But real world results were rather mediocre. I test bullets in pork meat from the butcher, bones and all, and sometimes covered with clothing. Everything looks different then. My carry load is now the Hornady FPD 230 gr. +P. But, Frankly, any of the modern bullets will do a good job. I used Golden Sabers but because of their tendency to separate jackets, I'm leaning more towards bondeds. Gold Dots perform well for me also. I will try to get some of these new HSTs and check them in meat... will post pics when I do. JWB

June 16th, 2007, 08:34 PM	#16
paratroop23 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ft. Bragg Posts: 141	Looking forward to those result jbrooks175.....I bet the HSTs will be on par if not slightly better!! Like I mentioned earlier, the HST, Tactical Bonded, and Gold Dots are all made by the same company. CCI Speer and Federal are sharing technology. Check out the Speer Shotgun rounds....they use the same FliteControl design as the Federal Premium LE 12 Ga Shotgun rounds. Don't the pictures of the GoldDots and HSTs look very similar?

June 16th, 2007, 08:42 PM	#18
paratroop23 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ft. Bragg Posts: 141	Or you can purchase it here, but he's out of the Federal Tactical Bonded 230gr until August. www.mahsupplies.net/