Federal 'Tactical Bonded' .45 water test.....(pics) - Page 3

ArmyCop · June 18th, 2007, 01:40 PM

Water Jugs Don't Shoot Back

I wonder - has anyone shot waterjugs (with or without denim) with federal's EFMJ rounds? Results?

Whyveear · June 18th, 2007, 01:56 PM

Better yet... I've seen EFMJ shot into ballistic gelatin...it did not do very well.

Scot Van · June 18th, 2007, 01:57 PM

Stellar post! Excellent photography! For the 1911 fan, this is ultimately some very useful info!

paratroop23 · June 18th, 2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ping Ping

It looks as though that gang of water jugs has made it further south. In my confrontation, they were wearing two layers of denim (it was cooler here at the time) and the rounds I retrieved looked nearly identical to your results. I only tested the HST2 in 45acp. It opened fully and consistently in every perp.

Where's the pics?

DRT · July 1st, 2007, 09:25 AM

Put some heavy clothing in front as an intermediate barrier and the HST, Ranger T, and Tactical will open better than Gold Dot. This has been proven time and time again. If you want a bonded bullet, go with the Federal Tactical, otherwise, go with HST or Ranget T (both in +P).

MJZZZ · July 1st, 2007, 10:35 AM

Has anyone seen a test using the Winchester RA45T out of a 3" barrel? If I do my own test, would 10 wet phone books and shooting through a layer of denim give a good representation of the actual reallife expansion? Since my Kimber is aluminum I won't be shooting +P through it, so the test would only involve 230g Ranger T and 185g Fed Hydra Shok. Mike

Whyveear · July 1st, 2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MJZZZ

Has anyone seen a test using the Winchester RA45T out of a 3" barrel?

.45 out of a 3" barrel is generally not a good combo.

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If I do my own test, would 10 wet phone books and shooting through a layer of denim give a good representation of the actual reallife expansion?

Possibly. If by "real life expansion" you mean how it will perform when shot into a human body then not necessarily. Wetpacks are not an adequate tissue simulant. If by "real life expansion" you mean what it is capable of, then maybe.

jbrooks175 · July 3rd, 2007, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Whyveear

.45 out of a 3" barrel is generally not a good combo.

Possibly. If by "real life expansion" you mean how it will perform when shot into a human body then not necessarily. Wetpacks are not an adequate tissue simulant. If by "real life expansion" you mean what it is capable of, then maybe.

Not sure I agree. My SAI Micro 3.5" barrel results in very good expansion and penetration with the Golden Saber 230 Gr, Gold Dot 230 gr and the Hornady FPD 230 +P loads. Into soaked phone books, I've been doing these tests for years, and have a good feel for the different bullet performance.

My comparison to bodies is my hunting results. Not human, but deer and boar. My experiences over the years show that penetration in living flesh is about 2-3 times that into the phone books. So a 4-6" penetration of phone book is pretty good, IMO. The Micro can do that.

JWB

rocky · July 3rd, 2007, 01:51 AM

Nice test . I notice the bonded hold together well. the hyrashok I fired into water separated the jacket from the lead core.

Whyveear · July 3rd, 2007, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrooks175

Not sure I agree.

That's okay, but it is generally true that the 2" reduction in barrel length results in .45 rounds having expansion problems.

June 18th, 2007, 01:40 PM	#21
ArmyCop Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chickasaw, AL Posts: 1,011	Water Jugs Don't Shoot Back I wonder - has anyone shot waterjugs (with or without denim) with federal's EFMJ rounds? Results? __________________ Matthew 6 Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you.

June 18th, 2007, 01:57 PM	#23
Scot Van Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Versailles, KY Posts: 830	WOW! Stellar post! Excellent photography! For the 1911 fan, this is ultimately some very useful info!

July 1st, 2007, 10:35 AM	#26
MJZZZ Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Lenexa, Ks Posts: 97	Has anyone seen a test using the Winchester RA45T out of a 3" barrel? If I do my own test, would 10 wet phone books and shooting through a layer of denim give a good representation of the actual reallife expansion? Since my Kimber is aluminum I won't be shooting +P through it, so the test would only involve 230g Ranger T and 185g Fed Hydra Shok. Mike __________________ "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.'' Warren vs District of Columbia

July 3rd, 2007, 01:51 AM	#29
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 13,054	Nice test . I notice the bonded hold together well. the hyrashok I fired into water separated the jacket from the lead core. __________________ "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson Nemo Me Impune Lacesset Link to my kydex builds:http://rocknloadkydex.blogspot.com/

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June 18th, 2007, 01:56 PM	#22
Whyveear Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Over here Posts: 246	Better yet... I've seen EFMJ shot into ballistic gelatin...it did not do very well.

July 1st, 2007, 09:25 AM	#25
DRT Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: usa Posts: 68	Put some heavy clothing in front as an intermediate barrier and the HST, Ranger T, and Tactical will open better than Gold Dot. This has been proven time and time again. If you want a bonded bullet, go with the Federal Tactical, otherwise, go with HST or Ranget T (both in +P).