Best SD ammo? - Page 2

Blackeagle · August 15th, 2007, 12:14 PM

DPX here.

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Originally Posted by edr9x23super

My choice is Cor-Bon for one simple reason: The key to real stopping power is velocity; You have to get the velocity as high as you can in order to develop kinetic energy. When you have lots of velocity, say 1250fps in a 165 grain JHP, you are going to hit real hard and in a .45 caliber bullet that has a nice, large HP cavity you can bet there is going to be violent expansion and energy transfer. My 9x23 silvertip rounds are 125 grains and traveling at 1450-1470fps, which is .357 magnum performance in an autopistol. I use Cor-Bon in this caliber because they are a little faster, around 1490fps. That round hits like a truck and the recoil for me is the same as a light .45 target load.

Actually, energy has almost nothing to do with handgun bullet effectiveness. The real keys are penetration and expansion. A high velocity, and thus high energy, helps ensure sufficient penetration, but any energy over and above what you need to get enough penetration is wasted. Take a look at the FBI's "Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness" study, particularly the conclusions.

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Originally Posted by FBI

Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed "shock" of bullet impact is a fable and "knock down" power is a myth. The critical element is penetration.

I carry Cor-Bon DPX, but I carry it because it's an extremely reliable expander with great weight retention. Energy has nothing to do with it.

pgrass101 · August 15th, 2007, 01:24 PM

I carry both hydro shock and gold dots

Once all of my HST or shot I will be only carrying Gold dots

Whyveear · August 15th, 2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KyInvestigator

Interesting that HST is not more popular considering the favorable press it is getting with LEO's, performance, etc.

That's because the original post asks for our opinion. It's amazing what reasons people will give for carrying a certain JHP. They'll say things like, I just like it, it feeds well, my gun loves it, it is high velocity, my brother/neighbor LEO/gun store clerk said it was good, Guns & Ammo recommended it, I did my own water jug tests, etc.

Rarely it seems do people carry a certain load based on results of reliable tests. HST is one of the best, but it is not as popular as some of the other loads that have been around longer and/or have a lot of hype surrounding them.

Caliber and bullet weight is also a factor to consider. Some Gold Dots are better left on the shelf as are some Ranger T-Series, etc. The same bullet design does not always perform well across the board.

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Originally Posted by Ace12

Ballistics gel tests seem to make all bullets look good in pictures.

But it is a very good tissue simulant

Shotgun Willie · August 15th, 2007, 05:46 PM

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Actually, energy has almost nothing to do with handgun bullet effectiveness. The real keys are penetration and expansion. A high velocity, and thus high energy, helps ensure sufficient penetration, but any energy over and above what you need to get enough penetration is wasted. Take a look at the FBI's "Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness" study, particularly the conclusions.

Thank you. I have posted that link multiple times. For all who have not read it, I recommend you take ten minutes and do so. It does a great job of debunking many myths found in the gun community.

Read:
A Discussion of Classic Wound Ballistics Myths on:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs23.htm

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Caliber and bullet weight is also a factor to consider....
...The same bullet design does not always perform well across the board.

Good call. Performance can vary within the range of calibers and weights from a specific manufacturer. Ex. Hydrashok 115 9mm vs. Hydrashok 165 .45 cal. Same brand does not equal same performance in different calibers and weights.

FknRa · August 15th, 2007, 09:08 PM

corbons copper jph

aus71383 · August 15th, 2007, 09:36 PM

My vote could have gone for anything but the Winchester SXT. I happened to pick Cor-Bon. Too expensive for me though. I've got HSTs.

Austin

Ace12 · August 15th, 2007, 10:20 PM

I think I might go with the Ranger-T in my .40 and the corbon DPX in my .38special snubby. Unless I change my mind.

Anyone know where I can order the Ranger-T series. I have seen some online that say they are the T series but the box in the picture does not indicate it. Is there a way to identify the T's by looking at the box?

Also, for you Ranger T shooters, wich bullet weight do you prefer 165 or 180?

JT · August 15th, 2007, 10:44 PM

You should have included an option for "other" in your poll.

My choice is Hornady TAP.

Ace12 · August 15th, 2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JT

You should have included an option for "other" in your poll.

My choice is Hornady TAP.

Sorry, I had to limit my choices or I would pull my hair out.

Whyveear · August 15th, 2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace12

Anyone know where I can order the Ranger-T series. I have seen some online that say they are the T series but the box in the picture does not indicate it. Is there a way to identify the T's by looking at the box?

Also, for you Ranger T shooters, wich bullet weight do you prefer 165 or 180?

You can get it at www.mahsupplies.net and some other places. There's a member here who sells it. You can identify it by the product code which is at the end of the on the box on the lower right. The 165gr stuff is RA40TA and the 180 gr is RA40T. I prefer the RA40T.

View Poll Results: Wich would you consider the best SD ammo based on performance and reliability?
Federal HST	79	25.82%
Speer Gold Dot	105	34.31%
Winchester Ranger-T	58	18.95%
Cor-Bon DPX	64	20.92%
Voters: 306. You may not vote on this poll

August 15th, 2007, 01:24 PM	#12
pgrass101 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 6,064	I carry both hydro shock and gold dots Once all of my HST or shot I will be only carrying Gold dots __________________ Noli nothis permittere te terere

August 15th, 2007, 09:08 PM	#15
FknRa Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Shingle Springs, Ca Posts: 300	corbons copper jph __________________ To those that paid for my freedom, I WILL NEVER FORGET. As with all statements I've made and All that I will make, please check your local laws to verify accuracy. (and if i'm wrong let me know as I like to be right in the future) After all I'm just some goofball posting on an internet forum.

August 15th, 2007, 10:44 PM	#18
JT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,099	You should have included an option for "other" in your poll. My choice is Hornady TAP. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my rock who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle. Psalm 144:1 Si vis pacem, para bellum

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August 15th, 2007, 09:36 PM	#16
aus71383 Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 1,696	My vote could have gone for anything but the Winchester SXT. I happened to pick Cor-Bon. Too expensive for me though. I've got HSTs. Austin

August 15th, 2007, 10:20 PM	#17
Ace12 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 81	I think I might go with the Ranger-T in my .40 and the corbon DPX in my .38special snubby. Unless I change my mind. Anyone know where I can order the Ranger-T series. I have seen some online that say they are the T series but the box in the picture does not indicate it. Is there a way to identify the T's by looking at the box? Also, for you Ranger T shooters, wich bullet weight do you prefer 165 or 180?