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Old April 20th, 2008, 08:28 AM   #1
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Anybody Happy With Plain Old 38 Special Standard Pressure?

I'm getting tired of my hand hurting after a session with my Smith 60 in 357. The 38 +P is better, but not much. What's the point in spending a lot of time mastering that kind of recoil when you can just get a nine mil? I like snubbies, but I'm getting annoyed with the boom. Besides, I'm an old f**t and I have arthritis.
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Old April 20th, 2008, 08:32 AM   #2
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Sounds like you already decided . I don't have a problem with most guns recoil, but would suggest practicing w/ standard .38's and carrying .357 loads. If the recoil bothers you that much you will probably develop a flinch shooting full .357 loads.
I doubt you will notice recoil if you need to use the gun defensively.
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Old April 20th, 2008, 12:16 PM   #3
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If it allows you to fire fast, accurate follow up shots, then .38spl (standard) is the way to go.
All the blast, recoil, and lift from .357mag in smaller guns makes follow up shots difficult.
.......and I know the debate rages on about "all you'll need is one from a .357", but if you need more, all that time to re align sights decreases your probability for succes.
Just my opinion, but I'd rather have 2 or more really fast, accurate follow up shots (cuz 'one shot stops' aint the average), than one shot that is all I get before losing my sight picture and steady grip. In fact, my mother who is 60, carries her revolver with standard pressure .38 lswc because she can shoot fast, accurate strings of fire. For practice, plain ole' wadcutters are her choice. She tried 38 +p, figured out she'd not get a good follow up shot.
Go with as much as you can control in fast, accurate strings of fire-
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Old April 20th, 2008, 12:22 PM   #4
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I had a 686 about 10 years ago because at the time my thinking was bigger is better. I really liked the .357 but it wasnt a carry wep and it was very large and very heavy. They didn't have CCW here then so I never considered it. Now that I have my CCW I can't see any reason to carry a .357 when other weapons are so much easier.

My carry round of choice is 9mm/38 I will consider a .380 .32 for specialty carry.

I picked up a 38 ultralight and it hurts my hand but it's light, small, and is easy to conceal so I don't practice with it a lot.
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Old April 20th, 2008, 01:14 PM   #5
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I would not feel "unarmed" with such a load. I'd suggest one of these:

Product Line Listing

or

R38S6 at: Remington Express® Handgun Ammunition

I'm certain there are many other fine choices as well. Good luck with whatever you choose, and stay safe!
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Old April 20th, 2008, 01:50 PM   #6
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I use Std Velocity HydraShocks in a 642 for reasons stated above. Short-bbl guns that are lightweight can be nasty on the hand and at bad-breath distances I doubt that the +P recoil and pain will buy you any improvement over Std Velocity that you can more easily control.

Just one person't theory!
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Old April 20th, 2008, 04:00 PM   #7
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I use .38spl, I like the FMJ 130 gr.
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Old April 20th, 2008, 04:46 PM   #8
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At the range yesterday, I fired 200 rounds of .38 spl. Followed by two rounds of .357 magnums, I didn't have a problem, and will be getting a box or two.
In a defensive condition, I'm sure adrenalin is flowing, and SHOULD help.
I also own a S&W model 60, rapid firing, I've found, is not round specific, mostly, how fast can you pull the trigger? If you need speed, get an auto.
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Old April 20th, 2008, 04:57 PM   #9
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ability for follow us shots seems to be the overall consensus. I'll be carrying a .38 with standard rounds as a bug and dont feel that I need +P. JMO
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Old April 20th, 2008, 05:03 PM   #10
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"how fast can you pull the trigger? "--Rmac58

I dunno, how fast do you need to stop the threat by putting multiple rounds accurately on target?

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