Sticks

So, how many jugs before they stopped? I am curious to the comparison of the two rounds. Obviously yours cover the quarter and then some, whereas the .40 almost did.

Right now I am bummed, I cannot find my little trophies. I misplaced the darn things.

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I carry HST in 230grn+P 45ACP and 124 grn 9mm,I'm shooting the 9mm out of a keltec P11 and don't think the +p will be as manageable ,I might be wrong but good shot placement + good ammo =good results

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On three of them the bullet made it into the third jug. On the first two the bullet went through two jugs and put a big dent in the third and hit them with enough force that the cap broke apart like the water blasted through the top. In all five shots the first jug looks like it just exploded. The .45 was just barely larger than a quarter the tips went just past the edge not really much bigger than your .40 Imagining what that would look like going through human flesh is just plain creepy. Thinking about being hit with one of these makes my skin crawl. Still want to do some tests with a bullet tube but I have to wait now that I just spent a bunch on more ammo. Ordered some Rangers for my wifes Bersa too, so will be testing those too soon.

Well I for one am hoping you are right or I am an idiot

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grady

Thanks to those who posted info on the Federal HST's.

I've made two orders already of HST's, and I expect many more to come.

LongRider

Expensive suckers but not nearly as bad as some of the other premium sounds. Which I do not think perform as well. So I suppose a good deal all things considered. I was thinking of doing a group buy but even at 500 rounds through Ammunition To Go the savings are not that great. They do have I think 250 round packages of .380 Remington Golden Sabers for $65 which is a great deal IMO. But I had already ordered Rangers for the wifes Bersa. May still pick those up though depending on how the Rangers look after I test a few rounds. I did like the Golden Sabers in .45 almost as much as the HST.

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LongRider

Did you look at the Ballistic Tests Index
9mm Ballistic Test # 1
And the results.............
Round 3 - 9mm JHP's through Tshirts
Denim testing 9mm, .45ACP, 357 magnum

Those are the best side by side pics / tests I have found. Mostly 9mm but still I think it gives a fair example of what to expect out of a specific brand / make

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grady

That's a huge savings for the .380 Golden Sabers. I'll have to check that out.

As far as the cost of the HST's, once I completely finish reliability testing and purchase a stockpile, I'll find a cheaper practice round.

I read this entire thread but it's been awhile, and you may have covered this already, but did you test the HST vs. the HST +P? Which do you prefer?

I had planned to use the HST, but when I tested both, I was a little more accurate with the +P. My theory is that the bullet went downrange quicker and thus any bad shooting habits of mine had less time to affect the path of the bullet.

What do you think? I suppose +P's will wear the spring a little more, but I don't shoot a lot right now. I'm trying to buy as many supplies (guns and bullets) before the election. What's your opinion on the HST standard pressure vs. the HST +P?

LongRider

Looks like you answered your own question Springs are easily replaceable lives are harder to come by. IMO always go with what is more accurate out of your gun placement takes priority over a bullets performance. As you know .22 FMJ that you hit COM with is far better than the howitzer you miss with

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grady

When you say it like that, it seems all too obvious what the right choice is. Guess I couldn't see the forest for the trees. Thanks for setting me straight.

I have read lots of posts stating standard pressure is just fine, and I was concerned about premature wear on a gun, plus a prosecutor making a big deal about +P being "the most powerful, destructive bullet you could find."

But you are entirely correct saying springs can be replaced, and shot placement being key. I'm not THAT much more accurate with +P's, maybe shrinking my groups 3/4" at 7 yards, but that might be enough to end a fight quicker. And at further distances, the margin of error grows.

Don't know what I was thinking. I've got 100 rounds of each to continue testing, so when I'm done, I'll carry whatever is more accurate regardless of what it is.

As far as the potential of a prosecutor making a big deal out of bullet choice and possibly getting a bad jury after a good self-defense shooting, I subscribe to Gabe Suarez's thoughts on the matter: "Being broke or in prison is temporary. Being dead isn't."

Sticks

It's an obscene thought, unlikely and Hollywoodish in it's concept (especially when referring to 9mm) and yet frighteningly possible.

I would be hard put to keep from saying "You would rather I stopped the perpetrator, with a long violent criminal history, from killing my wife and myself with a squirt gun, hoping on the off chance he was allergic to water or hydrophobic? If only shark repellent worked so well on lawyers."

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