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Old May 20th, 2008, 02:28 PM   #11
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I don't own one never have never will,ammo alone is ridiculouly overpriced and the round is woefully inadequate for self defense
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Old May 20th, 2008, 08:35 PM   #12
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well, better to have something to protect your life and others' lives than nothing at all. I really do appreciate this peice about the .25 cal for it is a round that has been somewhat enigmatic to me in terms of its history, power and effectiveness. There must be something to this round for it has survived where many have not...
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Old May 20th, 2008, 10:08 PM   #13
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In my lifetime I have fired maybe one box of .25 out of a friends pistol. It was fun. I certainly don't think it would be my first choice for carry, but it could certainly make someone say "ouch" from a safer distance than my fist. I am not a big fan of the .32 ACP. either but there was one weekend when that was all I had, and I was sure glad to have it. Mouse gun is certainly better than no gun at all!
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Old May 20th, 2008, 10:26 PM   #14
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Would I carry a firearm chambered in it if necessary...certainly, but it would not be my first/second/third/etc. choice....
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Old May 20th, 2008, 10:47 PM   #15
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I don't mean to get into a long winded dissertation on the assets or liabilities of the .25 acp, but I think that with the choices of the really small .380s or the sub compact 9mms out today, it makes little to no sense to carry the diminutive .25 for self defense. Back in the day, the .25 was a very small automatic that could truly be carried in a vest pocket and therefore was popular with a lot of folks who wanted to go about their daily activities without being seen with a gun. While a .25 that is with you is better than a big gun left at home, there is no reason not to carry a .380 that is the same size but in a more effective caliber. I am sure that a lot of folks have owned or have at least fired the little .25 acp at one point or another, but there is a reason that it continues to languish in sales, as it is simply outclassed by a growing number of better choices.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 10:59 PM   #16
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One advantage (if you could call it that) of the .25 over the .22 is that it is a centerfire rather than a rimfire cartridge...reportedly always more reliable but, not so important these days days and now that extremely high quality match-grade rimfire ammo is available.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 10:49 AM   #17
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... While a .25 that is with you is better than a big gun left at home, there is no reason not to carry a .380 that is the same size but in a more effective caliber. I am sure that a lot of folks have owned or have at least fired the little .25 acp at one point or another, but there is a reason that it continues to languish in sales, as it is simply outclassed by a growing number of better choices.
All good in theory... and here is where a 25 or a 32 may be a better choice.

I know of some who can manage a 45 but are NOT comfortable with the keltec in 380.

Think about that for a moment.

Somebody who both knows how to shoot and can handle "recoil" but has issues with a little old "380" pistol and some have similar issues with the small nines and 40's out there.

So - with that tidbit of knowledge - what does a person who does NOT shoot much and is really recoil sensitive choose to have at home or on their person?

I guess they can throw big rocks?

Sarcasm aside... there IS a VERY good reason why these "mouse guns" are still in the marketplace.

Maybe... all of your family members might be able to handle a small 9MM - but I can assure you that very few can (even a few who can do a full-size 45).

It's also like those who AWLAYS suggest a 12g shotgun. They forget about the 20g and even the 410. Another thing is they forget the semi-auto (that has LESS felt recoil) over the pump.

We tell people to get a semi-auto 22 (Ruger) and a semi-auto pistol (over a revolver) but we keep pushing the pump over an alternative that both lets you use it one-hand (if things go really bad) and has less recoil (so you can shoot THREE round at about the time you may shoot two with a pump).

A WORKING & RELIABLE gun is better than NO GUN - everything else about firearms is icing on the cake.

I suggest using anything that meets this minimum standard and practice enough to feel confident in using it.

A Walther P22 in my grandmother's hands is WAY better than a phone calling 911. She may just get the kind of results we've been seeing in the news lately.

I would prefer her having TWO Marine Rangers on duty... but a small "ladylike" 25 in her hand (and she is confident in using it) can change the odds in HER favor... in a measurable and comforting way.

Just my two cents...
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 11:16 AM   #18
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A WORKING & RELIABLE gun is better than NO GUN - everything else about firearms is icing on the cake.



I will agree with you on that one, as I forgot one other important consideration - economics. Some people simply cannot afford to buy the nice handguns you and I enjoy. These folks may have inherited or bought a used .25 acp and it is all that they have to defend themselves with. I also agree with you that small guns in larger calibers may have too much recoil for some folks. Having said all that though, I still feel that if one can afford to buy a small .380 or 9mm and tolerate the recoil, he or she would be better served by choosing one of those over the .25 acp IMHO.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 11:26 AM   #19
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I had a Beretta in .25 ACP, but sold it for one 22LR. I didn't see much difference in the round and 22LR is several times cheaper than .25. Eventually, I sold the 22 as well.

Today I have the Beretta Tomcat in .32 ACP. I carry it when I don't have the option of carrying one of my Glocks in 40S&W.
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Old May 22nd, 2008, 11:47 AM   #20
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Nice photos there takurpic! That is also a good alternative to a .25 acp, and loaded with the WW Silvertip, is a pretty effective bug or always gun.
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