Yoda

Has anyone had occasion to use the Extreme Shock ammo, such as the fangface round in an actual defensive shooting?

With the discussions regarding Prosecutor's attacks on our choices of ammunition, has anyone had to face this in a court of law?

It seems the manufacturer should bear some responsibility to defend the use of their ammo in a self defense shooting. Is there any precedent?

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Rob72

Fangface will not only vaporize your assailant, but also the Prosecutor's will to prosecute. It may even make him sterile.
The only other comment I would have is that if it were indeed the Fist of God, you'd have heard quite a bit more about it outside of SOF or G&A.

I would pass, since I don't believe it does anything more than other less noisome maunfacturer's products.

Pete Zaria

A few minutes of Google searching brought up very little solid data and zero real-world reports on this stuff.

The advice you'll generally get from members of this forum (myself included) is to stick with well-proven (but modern) bullet designs such as Speer's Gold Dot, Federal's HST, Winchester's Ranger SXT, etc...

Pow'R'Ball looks pretty cool, if we could find some solid data on it, I'd be willing to give that a try.

Best of luck finding a carry ammo!

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MitchellCT

Good ammo sells itself.

Contrast the marketing of Black Hills which sells itself through performance and word of mouth with Extreme Shock ammo which relies heavily on the "ninja/spec-ops" factor.

Think very carefully about using a product that has to be marketed so agressively when other products are available which don't need to rely on flashy magazine adds.

Yoda

Thanks. I am not looking to use it as carry or self defense ammo, I am really wondering why a manufacturer would market and sell a product that will be attacked by a Prosecutor for using it exactly as it is marketed? If it were a civil suit, the manufacturer would be brought in without question. A defendant cannot bring in a manufacturer as a criminal defense.

I think this extreme ammo should be avoided. If someone has information otherwise I would like to hear it.

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Rob72

You live in Tejas- if you can shoot feral pigs, get a couple of boxes, and let us know.

I'm not a big fan of "Ayoobian-thinking." Yes, he has many valid point, and yes, LFI had semi-legitimately been referred to as "How To Get Away With Murder College." My concern would be less with prosecution than with having ammo that was all hype and no performance. If the image is a decisive factor, no one here is buying Cold Steel knives, right?

Don't be the tallest mole in the game of Whack-A-Mole, equally don't ignore something solely because of legalism. If you think it seems to be superior, see if your dealer will order a couple of boxes non-special order, and pay cash.

Yoda

Thanks.

Rob, I am not sure what you mean by Ayoobian thinking. I also don't understand about Cold Steel knives.

I do not want to go into a situation using something that I know is unreasonable, be it ammunition or any other device. Being reasonable and prudent is what we should all strive for. The actual performance for the fangface ammo is not what I was lead to believe (after finding a test on the internet). I had been lead to believe that this round was almost guaranteed to stop the threat if there was a hit in the center of mass. But in contrast I also was reading so much about not using extreme ammo.. I was wondering if there were any test cases where that was brought up in a trial.

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braap

Not sure if I saw this posted on here or another forum, but here you go...

Clicky

...personally, I wouldn't use 'em.

dukalmighty

I don't think a prosecutor is going to make a case on what ammo you used if it's a olegitimate shoot you won't even see a trial in texas

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Double Naught Spy

Oh, you mean like the use of caliber (10mm) and hollowpoints in the Harold Fish case in Arizona? How about every other case where prosecutors claim hollowpoints are particularly bad (either more lethal, more damaging, or whatever)?

Sure it should be avoided, but not because of some stupid advertising and a fear of what prosecutors may or may not do. If Fang Face is truly a great defensive ammo, better than anything out there, then that is the ammo I want in my gun. I need to be alive to be prosecuted, LOL.

However as noted, there is no real world evidence to indicate that the ammo is actually any better than other ammo out there and is not a proven performer. Most prudent folks would go with a proven performer which Fang Face is not. That is a real world self defense reason NOT to use it as carry ammo.

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