Magsafe Ammo - Page 2

P95Carry · December 10th, 2005, 01:11 PM

Interesting article OD.

KC135 · December 10th, 2005, 02:14 PM

RBCD---Another magic make believe.

Sure is funny, no documentation from any independent ammo testers.

Lots of hype--most of which has died away.

OD · December 10th, 2005, 02:31 PM

I would love to see some independent lab testing myself.

ExSoldier · December 10th, 2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OD

Ex,

Have you seen this about RBCD ammo?
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/bullets/

This is great, THANKS! I just posted this over on my IDPA club's site. Had a great match today, too. Last match of 2005.

ExSoldier · December 10th, 2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KC135

RBCD---Another magic make believe.

Sure is funny, no documentation from any independent ammo testers.

Lots of hype--most of which has died away.

I dunno, KC. I first heard about RBCD three years ago in a casual conversation with a friend of mine. He's a SPecOps full colonel and is now posted to the Pentagon. He's a stand up guy with lots of experience in the "real world" as opposed to his current job which he laughingly refers to as "eschelons above reality."

I asked him what ammo he liked best in a handgun and he said RBCD and added it's non-reg "bet your bars" stuff, but if he was ONE SHOT away from THE END, he'd go with RBCD hands down. I never heard of the stuff. Far more expensive than either MagSafe or Glaser. Something like $50 for a box of 20rds. That's retail. You can sometimes find them at gunshows for about half that. "Bet-Your-Bars" is usually applied to Lieutenants and refers to something done outside of regulations that most ALL good officers do, but which will bring the wrath of the Division Commander down upon you if you're so unlucky to get caught. Stuff like squirreling away platoon training ammo for a rainy day....or using nonreg munitions in combat.

ann · December 13th, 2005, 08:05 PM

I knew Joe & Kay when they lived in washington and even had some input into Joes KD magsafe round(KD=KEVLAR DEFEATING).

I really liked Joe a lot "God rest his soul"

but as for magsafe rounds as a whole I really think the rounds are not that useful they just dont have the penetration that I like in a pistol round.If I had to use a pre frag I would use GLASER SILVERS IMO.

As for RBCD IMO the real blended metal rounds are cool. The rounds they sell to the public with the lead ball and the plastic ball are a JOKE.

RBCD ANLYSIS
RBCD is the round on the left

Redneck Repairs · December 13th, 2005, 08:16 PM

personaly i dont/wont use any pre frag rounds , any binefits are far outweighed by both the expense and courtroom liability imho , i also wont carry reloads for SD

paul_82000 · June 24th, 2006, 02:53 PM

i came in to posesion of several boxes full of magsafe .40 cal. I read the 'hype' on them and desided to test a few on the beef cows when we butchered. normally we use a .44mag to the forhead and some times it takes 2 shots. the magsafes were amazing. 1 shot and the beef hit the ground dead. on the old stear that was gonna be all hamburger i shot in in the side droped and was dead by the time it hit the ground. when we open it up the heart and right lung were destroyed. this is the only ammo i will ever carry.
btw shoot to kill. if u have time trick shoot or are in such a situation you should not be shooting.
i have yet te find any real evidence of courtroom liability. it is just fear mongering

Patmarc45 · June 24th, 2006, 05:00 PM

Thanks, Paul.
This provides good insight into the effectiveness of this round. It may not be scientific but anything that drops a cow can't be all that wimpy.

ExSoldier · June 25th, 2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by paul_82000

i came in to posesion of several boxes full of magsafe .40 cal. I read the 'hype' on them and desided to test a few on the beef cows when we butchered. normally we use a .44mag to the forhead and some times it takes 2 shots. the magsafes were amazing. 1 shot and the beef hit the ground dead. on the old stear that was gonna be all hamburger i shot in in the side droped and was dead by the time it hit the ground. when we open it up the heart and right lung were destroyed. this is the only ammo i will ever carry.
btw shoot to kill. if u have time trick shoot or are in such a situation you should not be shooting.
i have yet te find any real evidence of courtroom liability. it is just fear mongering

While I FULLY agree with you on MagSafe (it's mostly all I carry in primary carry gun -- but use other factory loads in back up mags) there actually HAVE been numerous lawsuits against the frangible ammo manufacturers. All have been rejected. I think a lot of it is a masterful sense of advertising psychology...that is the use of the word SAFE. Glaser SAFETY Slug. MagSAFE....brilliant! But if you think MagSafe was devastating in meat...try RBCD.

http://www.rbcd.net I have a friend in SpecOps (I guess he's getting ready to retire, but he's currently a fairly senior officer at the puzzle palace...I mean the Pentagon....and he once told me that if his survival came down to ONE SHOT he'd want it to be RBCD.

I agree. This ammo is even more expensive than either MagSafe or Glaser.....which is hard to believe. So you don't use it to pling with! But I ran enough thru my guns to be sure of cycling and accuracy at various combat ranges...and then I just put it into the mags.

December 10th, 2005, 01:11 PM	#11
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,468	Interesting article OD. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

December 10th, 2005, 02:14 PM	#12
KC135 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 742	RBCD---Another magic make believe. Sure is funny, no documentation from any independent ammo testers. Lots of hype--most of which has died away. __________________ Keep the shotgun handy!!

December 10th, 2005, 02:31 PM	#13
OD VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vatican City Posts: 3,302	I would love to see some independent lab testing myself. __________________ OD "Slow down, you'll get a more harmonious outcome...." -------------------------------------------- *"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." - Jeff Cooper*

June 24th, 2006, 02:53 PM	#18
paul_82000 New Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1	i came in to posesion of several boxes full of magsafe .40 cal. I read the 'hype' on them and desided to test a few on the beef cows when we butchered. normally we use a .44mag to the forhead and some times it takes 2 shots. the magsafes were amazing. 1 shot and the beef hit the ground dead. on the old stear that was gonna be all hamburger i shot in in the side droped and was dead by the time it hit the ground. when we open it up the heart and right lung were destroyed. this is the only ammo i will ever carry. btw shoot to kill. if u have time trick shoot or are in such a situation you should not be shooting. i have yet te find any real evidence of courtroom liability. it is just fear mongering Last edited by paul_82000; June 24th, 2006 at 03:01 PM..

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December 13th, 2005, 08:16 PM	#17
Redneck Repairs VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,141	personaly i dont/wont use any pre frag rounds , any binefits are far outweighed by both the expense and courtroom liability imho , i also wont carry reloads for SD

June 24th, 2006, 05:00 PM	#19
Patmarc45 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 34	Thanks, Paul. This provides good insight into the effectiveness of this round. It may not be scientific but anything that drops a cow can't be all that wimpy.