Golden Saber Ejection Problems (Colt CCO)

BlackPR · August 18th, 2008, 01:33 PM

I had been carrying Federal HydraShok's for years in my CCO and decided it was time to "upgrade"... So I figured I'd try out the Golden Sabers...

My CCO has always eaten anything I've fed to it. But it will not eject the Golden Sabers. I'm not talking intermittently, I'm talking 100% failure rate while hand cycling the rounds. I have not fired them, and the problem might be resolved during live-fire, since presumably the bullet would no longer be attached -- and, as I mentioned, this is really an ejection problem.

Either way, it bothers me that I can't even hand-cycle the gun with the Sabers. Has anyone else experienced this at all? Or heard of it at all?

4my son · August 18th, 2008, 01:59 PM

Sounds like a trip to the Range is in order.

How do the HS do in the same "hand operated" ejecting procedure?

Personally, I don't see the need to change, If you like the Ford Mustang, why change to the Chevy Camaro. It's been discussed many times, after shot placement, it doesn't make a lot of difference. By the sounds of it, Even if the rounds function fine in live fire, will you feel comfortable in the moment of truth?

Captain Crunch · August 18th, 2008, 02:03 PM

I've never heard of this problem, but if it is as you describe, it sounds like an overall cartridge length issue. Are loaded Golden Saber rounds longer than rounds from other manufacturers?

Do a side by side comparison of overall cartridge lengths. If the Sabers are longer than the standard 1.260 inch overall loaded cartridge length, they'll hang up in your Colt's ejection port.

If the Sabers feed and fire without malfunctions, it's a non-issue.

cvhoss · August 18th, 2008, 02:19 PM

This isn't real surprising. The GS rounds tend to be "a silly millimeter long" (sorry if you're not old enough to remember the commercial) than other rounds. The only HP rounds I have for a 45 are GS, so don't have anything to compare them to but for 9mm, lengths are:

GS 124 gr. 1.117
Winchester Ranger 115 gr. 1.08
Federal American Eagle FMJ 1.114

The only gun I've ever had a problem with the GSs in is my Kel-Tec PF-9. They won't even feed out of the magazine. However, I don't believe you'll find any problem with firing and ejecting but if you can't clear a live round from your firearm, I'd be going with something else.

Hoss

dukalmighty · August 18th, 2008, 07:05 PM

like hoss and crunch said if bullet is longer than specs that would cause it if you have some calipers measure OAL of the bullet

nn · August 18th, 2008, 11:44 PM

Shoot them up and then carry the others you know work and trust.
Who knows why or where you may have to unload and reload
and if you can't hand eject them what?

Bando · August 18th, 2008, 11:50 PM

they probably will live fire through the gun. But, I would carry something you can cycle for safety reasons. I.e. Dud, unloading, ect...

QKShooter · August 19th, 2008, 02:15 AM

Well, if you cannot hand eject them - there may come a time when you may have to clear malf.
If you are intent on carrying them then you'll probably need to get your ejection port opened up a bit more and make sure that you have the relief cut on your extractor.

REDTAIL · August 19th, 2008, 02:53 AM

i use golden sabors in all of my guns and never any problems with feed or ejecting plus they are accurate and a great sd ammo

August 18th, 2008, 01:33 PM	#1
BlackPR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lakewood Colorado Posts: 627	Golden Saber Ejection Problems (Colt CCO) I had been carrying Federal HydraShok's for years in my CCO and decided it was time to "upgrade"... So I figured I'd try out the Golden Sabers... My CCO has always eaten anything I've fed to it. But it will not eject the Golden Sabers. I'm not talking intermittently, I'm talking 100% failure rate while hand cycling the rounds. I have not fired them, and the problem might be resolved during live-fire, since presumably the bullet would no longer be attached -- and, as I mentioned, this is really an ejection problem. Either way, it bothers me that I can't even hand-cycle the gun with the Sabers. Has anyone else experienced this at all? Or heard of it at all? __________________ Truth and falsehood are both whatever and simultaneously not so, rather than not. Colorado Gun Law FAQ's: http://rmgo.org/faq/

August 18th, 2008, 01:59 PM	#2
4my son Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Out side of Richmond, VA Posts: 1,453	Sounds like a trip to the Range is in order. How do the HS do in the same "hand operated" ejecting procedure? Personally, I don't see the need to change, If you like the Ford Mustang, why change to the Chevy Camaro. It's been discussed many times, after shot placement, it doesn't make a lot of difference. By the sounds of it, Even if the rounds function fine in live fire, will you feel comfortable in the moment of truth? __________________ "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)] If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand

August 18th, 2008, 02:03 PM	#3
Captain Crunch Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Montana, The Treasure State Posts: 6,780	I've never heard of this problem, but if it is as you describe, it sounds like an overall cartridge length issue. Are loaded Golden Saber rounds longer than rounds from other manufacturers? Do a side by side comparison of overall cartridge lengths. If the Sabers are longer than the standard 1.260 inch overall loaded cartridge length, they'll hang up in your Colt's ejection port. If the Sabers feed and fire without malfunctions, it's a non-issue. __________________ Memo to the President: I'll keep my guns, money & freedom... You can keep the "change!" Terry

August 18th, 2008, 02:19 PM	#4
cvhoss Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 800	This isn't real surprising. The GS rounds tend to be "a silly millimeter long" (sorry if you're not old enough to remember the commercial) than other rounds. The only HP rounds I have for a 45 are GS, so don't have anything to compare them to but for 9mm, lengths are: GS 124 gr. 1.117 Winchester Ranger 115 gr. 1.08 Federal American Eagle FMJ 1.114 The only gun I've ever had a problem with the GSs in is my Kel-Tec PF-9. They won't even feed out of the magazine. However, I don't believe you'll find any problem with firing and ejecting but if you can't clear a live round from your firearm, I'd be going with something else. Hoss __________________ I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I always was Kahr PM-9 / Sig P-245 / Para NiteHawg / Walther PPK / Beretta Tomcat / Ruger LCP BDA 380 / Taurus 85 / Kel-Tec PF-9 / Am. Derringer 357 / Sig Sauer 239 SAS / Walther PPS .40 NRA Life Member My Web Site

August 18th, 2008, 07:05 PM	#5
dukalmighty VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: texas Posts: 3,554	like hoss and crunch said if bullet is longer than specs that would cause it if you have some calipers measure OAL of the bullet __________________ I like Poetry,Long Walks On The Beach,And Poking Dead Things With A Stick

August 18th, 2008, 11:44 PM	#6
nn VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NC Posts: 4,381	Shoot them up and then carry the others you know work and trust. Who knows why or where you may have to unload and reload and if you can't hand eject them what?

August 18th, 2008, 11:50 PM	#7
Bando Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas somewhere Posts: 464	they probably will live fire through the gun. But, I would carry something you can cycle for safety reasons. I.e. Dud, unloading, ect... __________________ The Problem: When stupid people do stupid things, smart people end up getting killed.

August 19th, 2008, 02:15 AM	#8
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 19,997	Well, if you cannot hand eject them - there may come a time when you may have to clear malf. If you are intent on carrying them then you'll probably need to get your ejection port opened up a bit more and make sure that you have the relief cut on your extractor. __________________

August 19th, 2008, 02:53 AM	#9
REDTAIL Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NY STATE Posts: 126	i use golden sabors in all of my guns and never any problems with feed or ejecting plus they are accurate and a great sd ammo

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