Oversized flash hole????

cvhoss · August 20th, 2008, 10:57 PM

Have any of you ever seen factory ammo with a flash hole the size of the one shown on the left? (one on the right is standard 45ACP flash hole). My shootin' buddy has a whole box of these. He normally puts empty brass back into the same box they came from and this box was marked 230 gr. WinClean BEB (the BEB is Brass Enclosed Base). He can't say for sure if this large flash hole brass came from this box or not, but he's about 95% sure it did. He is sure that he has never purchased any blank ammo and that's the only thing that I'm aware of that has a larger flash hole. However, I would think that blank ammo brass would be marked in some way to prevent reloading it at standard pressures. As you can see in the photo, this brass carries nothing other than the standard WW and 45 AUTO markings. Any information on this brass would be greatly appreciated.

Hoss

A1C Lickey · August 20th, 2008, 11:27 PM

Can you get a better picture? It almost looks like it's been sheared or reamed out somehow....

cvhoss · August 21st, 2008, 01:41 AM

Nope. That's as good as a picture is going to show without having a microscope to take pictures through. I'm looking at it with my eyes and a flashlight and it looks just like what you see in the picture. However the hole was made, it was made the same way on all 50 rounds of brass in the box. I may not have made that clear before. This wasn't one fluke round out of a box, the entire box is exactly the same.

Hoss

dukalmighty · August 21st, 2008, 11:16 AM

might bw worth a call to winchester to see if thats a special kind of brass maybe more rapid ignition

cvhoss · August 21st, 2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dukalmighty

might bw worth a call to winchester to see if thats a special kind of brass maybe more rapid ignition

Or maybe I should have just looked around the Winchester web site to start with. (Duh -- I feel so stupid)

Quote:

Question: Are WinClean cartridges reloadable and why is the flash hole in the shellcase enlarged?

Answer: Regarding the enlarged flash hole of the shellcase loaded in 45 Auto WinClean products (WC451 and WC452): The flash hole in this shellcase was enlarged in order to achieve optimal ignition while utilizing a lead/ heavy metal free primer. Winchester conducted extensive testing prior to the introduction of this product and determined that the larger flash hole will not have an adverse effect on reloads using standard leaded primers. Please remember, Winchester does not offer a component lead/ heavy metal free primer. Other calibers within the WinClean line are manufactured with a standard diameter flash hole. As always, reloaders should utilize published data from a recognized source and work loads up carefully.

Hoss

Reborn · August 21st, 2008, 11:40 AM

I have never seen this but would be interested in what you find out.

cvhoss · August 21st, 2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reborn

I have never seen this but would be interested in what you find out.

See post #5 above.

Hoss

A1C Lickey · August 21st, 2008, 03:24 PM

Interesting.

HotGuns · August 21st, 2008, 03:29 PM

Thanks for posting that.

I learned something new.

August 20th, 2008, 10:57 PM	#1
cvhoss Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 800	Oversized flash hole???? Have any of you ever seen factory ammo with a flash hole the size of the one shown on the left? (one on the right is standard 45ACP flash hole). My shootin' buddy has a whole box of these. He normally puts empty brass back into the same box they came from and this box was marked 230 gr. WinClean BEB (the BEB is Brass Enclosed Base). He can't say for sure if this large flash hole brass came from this box or not, but he's about 95% sure it did. He is sure that he has never purchased any blank ammo and that's the only thing that I'm aware of that has a larger flash hole. However, I would think that blank ammo brass would be marked in some way to prevent reloading it at standard pressures. As you can see in the photo, this brass carries nothing other than the standard WW and 45 AUTO markings. Any information on this brass would be greatly appreciated. Hoss __________________ I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I always was Kahr PM-9 / Sig P-245 / Para NiteHawg / Walther PPK / Beretta Tomcat / Ruger LCP BDA 380 / Taurus 85 / Kel-Tec PF-9 / Am. Derringer 357 / Sig Sauer 239 SAS / Walther PPS .40 NRA Life Member My Web Site

August 20th, 2008, 11:27 PM	#2
A1C Lickey Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Luke AFB, AZ Posts: 707	Can you get a better picture? It almost looks like it's been sheared or reamed out somehow.... __________________ SSgt. Lickey It takes a college degree to break'em; and a high school education to fix'em!

August 21st, 2008, 01:41 AM	#3
cvhoss Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 800	Nope. That's as good as a picture is going to show without having a microscope to take pictures through. I'm looking at it with my eyes and a flashlight and it looks just like what you see in the picture. However the hole was made, it was made the same way on all 50 rounds of brass in the box. I may not have made that clear before. This wasn't one fluke round out of a box, the entire box is exactly the same. Hoss __________________ I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I always was Kahr PM-9 / Sig P-245 / Para NiteHawg / Walther PPK / Beretta Tomcat / Ruger LCP BDA 380 / Taurus 85 / Kel-Tec PF-9 / Am. Derringer 357 / Sig Sauer 239 SAS / Walther PPS .40 NRA Life Member My Web Site

August 21st, 2008, 11:16 AM	#4
dukalmighty VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: texas Posts: 3,554	might bw worth a call to winchester to see if thats a special kind of brass maybe more rapid ignition __________________ I like Poetry,Long Walks On The Beach,And Poking Dead Things With A Stick

August 21st, 2008, 11:40 AM	#6
Reborn Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rowlett, Texas Posts: 1,273	I have never seen this but would be interested in what you find out. __________________ Psalms 144:1 Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight. Senior Instructor for Tactical and Defensive of Texas CHL INSTRUCTOR Retired LEO NRA member TCHA member

August 21st, 2008, 03:24 PM	#8
A1C Lickey Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Luke AFB, AZ Posts: 707	Interesting. __________________ SSgt. Lickey It takes a college degree to break'em; and a high school education to fix'em!

August 21st, 2008, 03:29 PM	#9
HotGuns Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,174	Thanks for posting that. I learned something new. __________________ AR. CHL Instr. To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men, their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas.' Dr. G. Brock Chisolm

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